Lucian's ability as a deterrent

One odd thing that happened in Sunday's Portsmouth tourney was that i got rushed far less than i expected to be by Michael's !Salubri, and was strangely left alone by Matt when he was my predator. i just figured out why - Lucian's ability to steal equipment [coupled to manoeuvers] creates a strong disincentive to actions by minions with tasty pieces of kit such as the Crimson Sentinel, Meat hook, .44 Magnum or Sargon fragment ... leather jacket too, for that matter. It's ironic that he has got passively better as a result of the FN/Bloodlines boost to equipment!

"legbiter" <legb...@mailandnews.com> wrote in message news:22fea992.02011...@posting.google.com... [ quoted text not captured ] :) Which is why almost all decks that I have where a signifigant number of minions with Celerity always packs 1 or 2 fast hands. You never know when someone might have a weapon you wouldn't mind having yourself.

"legbiter" <legb...@mailandnews.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:22fea992.02011...@posting.google.com... [ quoted text not captured ] and compared to his clanmate leandro he is a lot better. almost everyone hates leandro as soon as he shows up. countertable attacks are not the execption for him. regards pallando

In message <a23lpn$7dg$1...@bird.wu-wien.ac.at>, pallando <pall...@NOSPAM.gmx.at> writes: >and compared to his clanmate leandro he is a lot better. almost everyone >hates leandro as soon as he shows up. Has anyone ever been able to, reliably, tell what gender Leandro actually is? -- James Coupe You remind me of the babe. What babe? PGP 0x5D623D5D The babe with the power. What power? EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 Power of voodoo. Who do? 13D7E668C3695D623D5D You do. Do what? Remind me of the babe.

"James Coupe" <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote in message news:la6dtkUS...@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk... > In message <a23lpn$7dg$1...@bird.wu-wien.ac.at>, pallando > <pall...@NOSPAM.gmx.at> writes: > >and compared to his clanmate leandro he is a lot better. almost everyone > >hates leandro as soon as he shows up. > > Has anyone ever been able to, reliably, tell what gender Leandro > actually is? Ask Dancin' Dana ;) reyda

>> Has anyone ever been able to, reliably, tell what gender Leandro >> actually is? > >Ask Dancin' Dana ;) Or Celeste ;) To be honest, I've always assumed Leandro was a guy. Halcyan 2

"Halcyan 2" <halc...@aol.com> wrote in message news:20020116144852...@mb-mq.aol.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Only if Badger is a woman. mattgreen -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

"GreySeer" <e...@i.think.not> wrote in message news:u4al6vp...@news.supernews.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Wow, that's stylish. i must admit i NEVER use fast hands outside of sealed-deck, where i use all i can. Actually, that reminds me to raise an issue. From the rulings: Lucian Lucian cannot attempt to steal a piece of equipment that he is prohibited from having (a second vehicle, Laptop, or Leather Jacket, for example). [LSJ 19980206] Does this mean that Beast cannot play Fast Hands AT ALL? [ quoted text not captured ]

James Mcclellan wrote: > Does this mean that Beast cannot play Fast Hands AT ALL? Yes. [LSJ 31-AUG-1998] -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

In message <ac2a07e7625ac04df9f...@mygate.mailgate.org>, James Mcclellan <legb...@mailandnews.com> writes: >Wow, that's stylish. i must admit i NEVER use fast hands outside of >sealed-deck, where i use all i can. Actually, that reminds me to raise an >issue. From the rulings: > >Lucian >Lucian cannot attempt to steal a piece of equipment that he is prohibited from >having (a second vehicle, Laptop, or Leather Jacket, for example). >[LSJ 19980206] > >Does this mean that Beast cannot play Fast Hands AT ALL? Yup, he can't. He cannot have or use equipment, so he cannot take steps to obtain them. -- James Coupe "Never give in to them," she whispered. "No matter what PGP 0x5D623D5D EB they do or how important you feel it is to get their accep- D690ECD7A1FB457CA21 tance. Never kill part of yourself for them. Because other 3D7E668C3695D623D5D people will notice that part is missing before you do."

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3C46E0DA...@white-wolf.com... > James Mcclellan wrote: > > Does this mean that Beast cannot play Fast Hands AT ALL? > > Yes. [LSJ 31-AUG-1998] mmm... You said once that if beast gains an equipment or retainer (say via heidelberg), it is immediatly burned (discarded. not beast, the equipment or retainer =p ) so what's up ? reyda

[ quoted text not captured ] Citation, please? If you force equipment on him - it burns. He cannot equip, however. [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3C46FBAA...@white-wolf.com... > Reyda wrote: > > > > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message > > news:3C46E0DA...@white-wolf.com... > > > James Mcclellan wrote: > > > > Does this mean that Beast cannot play Fast Hands AT ALL? > > > > > > Yes. [LSJ 31-AUG-1998] > > > > mmm... You said once that if beast gains an equipment or retainer (say via > > heidelberg), it is immediatly burned (discarded. not beast, the equipment > > or retainer =p ) > > > > so what's up ? > > Citation, please? couldn't find it... I must be wrong then =) > If you force equipment on him - it burns. > He cannot equip, however. Intersting things : Beast can play (but not equip;) ) a Zip gun. Is it discarded as soon as it enter play ? Can he use it ? A stupid Tremere can play Charnas the Imp on Beast. What happens ? Is the Charnas discarded immediatly ? reyda

Reyda wrote: > Intersting things : Beast can play (but not equip;) ) a Zip gun. Is it > discarded as soon as it enter play ? Can he use it ? > A stupid Tremere can play Charnas the Imp on Beast. What happens ? Is the > Charnas discarded immediatly ? He can't play Zip Gun. He can't be the target of a Charnas action. [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3C471211...@white-wolf.com... > Reyda wrote: > > Intersting things : Beast can play (but not equip;) ) a Zip gun. Is it > > discarded as soon as it enter play ? Can he use it ? > > A stupid Tremere can play Charnas the Imp on Beast. What happens ? Is the > > Charnas discarded immediatly ? > > He can't play Zip Gun. > He can't be the target of a Charnas action. ??? Beast, Leatherface of Detroit [SAB] - vampire (NosA) * Beast can play a Zip Gun, since that is not an equip action. [LSJ 970519] * Most Equipment and Retainers cannot be moved to beast (via Diablerie, Heidelburg Castle, etc.) because he couldn't get these items generally (due to the restriction on his card text). Exceptions to this are the equipment and retainers he can get through normal means: Zip Gun and Charnas the Imp. [LSJ 980115] And no, it's not andrew under a mask of 10k faces ;p reyda

[ quoted text not captured ] Out of date. Check the current rulings list. See also RTR 23-JUN-1998, where those rulings became obsolete: From: LSJ <vte...@wizards.com> Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad Subject: Rules Team Rulings - 23 June 1998 Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:01:50 -0700 Message-ID: <358FED...@wizards.com> Moving cards: The rule against moving a card onto something it cannot normally be played on is no longer in effect. Beast, Leatherface of Detroit: New card text: "Beast cannot perform action-card actions or recruit allies. He cannot have or use equipment or retainers. As a (D) action, Beast can enter combat with any Ready minion controlled by another Methuselah. +1 hand damage." [ quoted text not captured ]

In message <a2755n$q9b$1...@hadron.noos.net>, Reyda <re...@noos.fr> writes: >Beast, Leatherface of Detroit [SAB] - vampire (NosA) > > * Beast can play a Zip Gun, since that is not an equip > action. [LSJ 970519] > * Most Equipment and Retainers cannot be moved to beast > (via Diablerie, Heidelburg Castle, etc.) because he > couldn't get these items generally (due to the > restriction on his card text). Exceptions to this are > the equipment and retainers he can get through normal > means: Zip Gun and Charnas the Imp. [LSJ 980115] These refer to the old text, and an old rule about not being able to move something to someone who couldn't get it normally (this provided many headaches). In that instance, Beast could get Zip Gun normally (since it wasn't an equip action) and could get Charnas (since he would generally not take the action to get Charnas) - so they could be moved to him. The current text is more specific - he cannot have equipment (so he cannot take equip actions anyway); this includes Zip Gun. He cannot have retainers (so he cannot employ them); this includes Charnas (a potential minor plus point for this usual restriction). [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3C471CFC...@white-wolf.com... > Reyda wrote: > > > He can't play Zip Gun. > > > He can't be the target of a Charnas action. > > > > ??? > > > > Beast, Leatherface of Detroit [SAB] - vampire (NosA) > > > > * Beast can play a Zip Gun, since that is not an equip > > action. [LSJ 970519] > > * Most Equipment and Retainers cannot be moved to beast > > (via Diablerie, Heidelburg Castle, etc.) because he > > couldn't get these items generally (due to the > > restriction on his card text). Exceptions to this are > > the equipment and retainers he can get through normal > > means: Zip Gun and Charnas the Imp. [LSJ 980115] > > Out of date. Check the current rulings list. > > See also RTR 23-JUN-1998, where those rulings became obsolete: okay, thanks for the catch =D > From: LSJ <vte...@wizards.com> > Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad > Subject: Rules Team Rulings - 23 June 1998 > Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:01:50 -0700 > Message-ID: <358FED...@wizards.com> > > Moving cards: The rule against moving a card onto something it cannot > normally be played on is no longer in effect. > > Beast, Leatherface of Detroit: > New card text: > "Beast cannot perform action-card actions or recruit allies. He cannot > have or use equipment or retainers. As a (D) action, Beast can enter > combat with any Ready minion controlled by another Methuselah. +1 hand > damage." So no more super deck with Beast playing Zip guns + *dragonbreath rounds, heh* ;) reyda . . . . . (and yes, i know you cannot use ammo with zip gun. =p)

LSJ wrote: > > James Mcclellan wrote: > > Does this mean that Beast cannot play Fast Hands AT ALL? > > Yes. [LSJ 31-AUG-1998] > > Could Beast play fast hands, but select nothing as his target, or if the opossing minion has no equipment. Inboth cases, he stays true to his card text. Raille

Raille wrote: > Could Beast play fast hands, but select nothing as his target, or if the > opossing minion has no equipment. Inboth cases, he stays true to his > card text. No. Can't play with no legal target. [RTR 28-SEP-1998] [ quoted text not captured ]