The rules specifically state that rescuing a paralyzed vampire
costs no blood.
What if the vampire somehow managed to untap and is getting
itself out? Does it have to spend 2 blood to get out?
Also, a long while ago I posted a question asking "Who gets
to decide which vampire spends the blood when I'm rescuing
your vampire from torpor." Let's bring this one up again.
Some possible solutions (feel free to add more):
(a) I decide.
(b) I need your consent.
If you do not give consent, I'll have to pay the blood.
(c) I need your consent.
If you do not give consent, I can choose to Diabolorize
instead; if I don't Diabolorize, I'll have to pay the blood.
(d) By mutual consent. I can get a binding agreement from you
before declaring the action.
I'll vote for (a). (b) and (c) has a small technical difficulty
when I don't have enough blood to pay ...
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Alan Kwan kw...@cs.cornell.edu
kw...@cs.cornell.edu (Alan Kwan) writes:
>The rules specifically state that rescuing a paralyzed vampire
>costs no blood.>What if the vampire somehow managed to untap and is getting
>itself out? Does it have to spend 2 blood to get out?
It cannot untap during the untap. If you Move Your Slow Body,
I suppose you could untap it, but that would go against the
concept of paralyzation, IMO.
If you don't mind going against the concept, then you must abide
by the remainder of the rules, namely, that you must pay two
blood to rescue yourself from torpor.
>Also, a long while ago I posted a question asking "Who gets
>to decide which vampire spends the blood when I'm rescuing
>your vampire from torpor." Let's bring this one up again.
>Some possible solutions (feel free to add more):>(a) I decide.
>(b) I need your consent.
> If you do not give consent, I'll have to pay the blood.
>(c) I need your consent.
> If you do not give consent, I can choose to Diabolorize
> instead; if I don't Diabolorize, I'll have to pay the blood.
>(d) By mutual consent. I can get a binding agreement from you
> before declaring the action.>I'll vote for (a). (b) and (c) has a small technical difficulty
>when I don't have enough blood to pay ...
My vote:
You name how much comes from each vampire. If a vampire (not
under your control) does not wish to pay the cost allocated
to him, then the action fizzles. No further arrangements may
be made.
No matter what, diablerie will *not* occur when a declaration of
aid has been made. (No to (c)).
L. Scott
kw...@cs.cornell.edu (Alan Kwan) wrote:
> The rules specifically state that rescuing a paralyzed vampire
> costs no blood.
>
> What if the vampire somehow managed to untap and is getting
> itself out? Does it have to spend 2 blood to get out?
Peace Alan,
A paralyzed vamp may not leave torpor unassisted.
> Also, a long while ago I posted a question asking "Who gets
> to decide which vampire spends the blood when I'm rescuing
> your vampire from torpor." Let's bring this one up again.
> Some possible solutions (feel free to add more):
>
> (a) I decide.
> (b) I need your consent.
> If you do not give consent, I'll have to pay the blood.
> (c) I need your consent.
> If you do not give consent, I can choose to Diabolorize
> instead; if I don't Diabolorize, I'll have to pay the blood.
> (d) By mutual consent. I can get a binding agreement from you
> before declaring the action.
>
> I'll vote for (a). (b) and (c) has a small technical difficulty
> when I don't have enough blood to pay ...
Given that apparently there will be a new ruling that the rescuing vamp
must pay at least one of the two pool, this may be moot as you'll
probably end up spending one each.
Nil carborundum illigitimi,
James R. McClure Jr.
The OS/2 Apostle
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In article <3mvbli$7...@sif.cs.cornell.edu>,
Alan Kwan <kw...@cs.cornell.edu> wrote:
>Also, a long while ago I posted a question asking "Who gets
>to decide which vampire spends the blood when I'm rescuing
>your vampire from torpor." Let's bring this one up again.
You're the one performing the action, so you get to decide what
the costs are. If the other vampire chooses not to pay the rest of it,
the effect fizzles and the vampire stays in torpor. I think you'd still
lose any blood you put into it, though. If the effect fizzles, you
don't get to diablerize, either. A rescue is a rescue, you're required
to be nice...
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kw...@cs.cornell.edu (Alan Kwan) writes:
I'm going to answer these questions straight from the rules; I haven't
given any thought to how they "should" be, or if the results from the
rules are so off base they must be changed. Offhand, I don't see any
trouble with the rules.
>The rules specifically state that rescuing a paralyzed vampire
>costs no blood.>What if the vampire somehow managed to untap and is getting
>itself out? Does it have to spend 2 blood to get out?
Yes it does. Paralyzation has the specific alteration to torpor rules
that an encountering vampire may rescue for free. No such alteration for
self-rescue.
>Also, a long while ago I posted a question asking "Who gets
>to decide which vampire spends the blood when I'm rescuing
>your vampire from torpor." Let's bring this one up again.>Some possible solutions (feel free to add more):>(a) I decide.
>(b) I need your consent.
> If you do not give consent, I'll have to pay the blood.
>(c) I need your consent.
> If you do not give consent, I can choose to Diabolorize
> instead; if I don't Diabolorize, I'll have to pay the blood.
>(d) By mutual consent. I can get a binding agreement from you
> before declaring the action.>I'll vote for (a). (b) and (c) has a small technical difficulty
>when I don't have enough blood to pay ...
Not a): I think a general principle is that you can't spend another Meth's
minions blood without his consent.
Not d): No provision for a BINDING consent.
Once the encounter has been made, the encounterer must choose one or the
other. So I'll go for c). If you don't have the blood, you MUST
diablerize.
Curt Adams (curt...@aol.com)
Alan Kwan <kw...@cs.cornell.edu> wrote:
>The rules specifically state that rescuing a paralyzed vampire
>costs no blood.
>What if the vampire somehow managed to untap and is getting
>itself out? Does it have to spend 2 blood to get out?
Yes. As you say, only the "encounter in torpor" blood requirement is waived.
>Also, a long while ago I posted a question asking "Who gets
>to decide which vampire spends the blood when I'm rescuing
>your vampire from torpor." Let's bring this one up again.>(a) I decide.
>I'll vote for (a)...
(a) certainly seems the most straightforward, but I'll bring it up
with the design team.
Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for
aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.
In article <3mvbli$7...@sif.cs.cornell.edu>, kw...@cs.cornell.edu says...
>
>
>The rules specifically state that rescuing a paralyzed vampire
>costs no blood.
>
>What if the vampire somehow managed to untap and is getting
>itself out? Does it have to spend 2 blood to get out?
I'd say that in this case if you can find a way to untap him that should
be enough to get him out of torpor.
>
>Also, a long while ago I posted a question asking "Who gets
>to decide which vampire spends the blood when I'm rescuing
>your vampire from torpor." Let's bring this one up again.>Some possible solutions (feel free to add more):
>
>(a) I decide.
>(b) I need your consent.
> If you do not give consent, I'll have to pay the blood.
>(c) I need your consent.
> If you do not give consent, I can choose to Diabolorize
> instead; if I don't Diabolorize, I'll have to pay the blood.
>(d) By mutual consent. I can get a binding agreement from you
> before declaring the action.
>
I'd say (a) here. (1) you are the acting methuselah (2) If he does not
want you to rescue his vampire he can block you (3) Your other 3 options
present to many potential confilcts
Chris.
>I'll vote for (a). (b) and (c) has a small technical difficulty
>when I don't have enough blood to pay ...
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