Drawing when you shouldnt....solution?

Should a player draw a card when he shouldnt (capuchin, 'do not replace until' etc.) and he has seen it, what do other folks do to rectify this? In tourneyplay, what would be required? T

[ quoted text not captured ] See VEKN Penalty Guidelines section 121 - Card Drawing - Drawing Extra Cards -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3BA1DF51...@white-wolf.com... > Talo...@hotmail.com wrote: > See VEKN Penalty Guidelines section 121 - Card Drawing - Drawing Extra Cards 120. Card Drawing This section includes infractions relating to inappropriate card drawing, card viewing, and related topics. 121. Card Drawing - Drawing Extra Cards Definition: Players are not considered to have drawn extra cards when they place a card face down on the table (without looking at the card) in an effort to accurately count out cards as they draw. This penalty should be applied only once to one or more cards if they are drawn in the same action or sequence of actions, at the judge's discretion. Philosophy: Any time players draw extra cards, there is always a chance they will go unnoticed by their opponent, potentially giving them a significant advantage. Because of this potential for abuse, the penalty for drawing extra cards is fairly severe. A player can accidentally look at extra cards very easily, so a separate, less severe penalty is established for that infraction called Looking at Extra Cards (section 122). Correcting the problem always involves putting the extra card (if known, or a random card from the player's hand if not known) back in the deck and reshuffling the deck, unless some other player has, through the course of the game, gained a knowledge of some portion of the player's deck, in which case the card should simply be returned to the top of the deck without shuffling. This ensures that the game will be impacted as little as possible. Improper Drawing at Start of Game (section 123) is also a separate, less severe penalty. Penalty: Warning. For the game to continue, the situation should always be corrected. When it is obvious which extra card was drawn, the card should be placed back in the deck. If it is unclear which card is the "extra" card, a random card should be selected from a player's hand. The opponents of the player committing the infraction should be allowed to see any cards the other player has seen due to this infraction. An automatic game loss should be applied if a player has drawn so many cards that a judge is unable to correct the situation. 122. Card Drawing - Looking at Extra Cards Definition: This could include dropping cards on the floor, turning a card over while shuffling an opponent's deck, or revealing cards from their deck in the act of misplaying a card. This penalty also applies when a player has looked at a card in an opponent's deck or hand in the course of a game (such as turning over an extra card while resolving a random discard effect). A player is not considered to have looked at extra cards when he or she places a card face down on the table (without looking at the card) in an effort to count out cards he or she will draw. This penalty should be applied only once to one or more cards if they are seen in the same action or sequence of actions. Example: (A) A player accidentally flips over a card while shuffling her opponent's deck. (B) A player flips over an extra card while drawing from his deck. (C) A player looks at the bottom card of his deck when presenting it to his predator for cutting/shuffling. Philosophy: A player can accidentally look at extra cards very easily so the penalty is less severe than Drawing Extra Cards. Drawing Extra Cards is a separate, more severe penalty because of the increased potential for abuse. The card seen should be shuffled back into the deck or placed on top of the deck as appropriate (see 121) if it was the top card of the deck that was seen, or returned to the area where it came from otherwise. Penalty: Caution. In addition to the appropriate penalty, the situation should always be corrected. An automatic game loss should be applied if a player has seen so many cards that a judge is unable to correct the situation or has received too much of an advantage by seeing an extra card (for example, the player sees the next card which reveals some crucial, strategic information).

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3BA1DF51...@white-wolf.com... > Talo...@hotmail.com wrote: > See VEKN Penalty Guidelines section 121 - Card Drawing - Drawing Extra Cards 120. Card Drawing [ quoted text not captured ]

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