[Q] more Madrigal questions

1/ How does the [MEL] effect apply to the Priscus votes ? Does a Priscus voting in agreement with the MEL minion in the Prisci sub-referendum gain 1 blood? Does this depend on the result of the sub-referendum? 2/ Is the vote provided by the initial political action card (the one played to attempt the action) considered to be cast by the acting minion? If so, does the MEL blood gain apply to oneself? -- Madrigal (Action Modifier/Reaction) Only usable during a referendum before votes are cast. [pre]: Only usable by a reacting vampire. Gain 2 votes. [mel]: Gain 2 votes. [MEL]: As [mel] above, and any vampire voting in agreement with this vampire gains 1 blood from the blood bank. Any vampire voting in opposition to this vampire burns 1 blood. Blood is gained or lost when the results are tallied. Gor

"Goratrux" <nos...@webmails.com> wrote in message news:3C4CB136...@webmails.com... > 1/ How does the [MEL] effect apply to the Priscus votes ? Does a Priscus > voting in agreement with the MEL minion in the Prisci sub-referendum > gain 1 blood? Does this depend on the result of the sub-referendum? The priscus voting in favor gains the blood. The result of the prisci block does not count. EG : Korah is 'for' the referendum, Sascha is 'for' too but Gratiano and Genevieve vote against. Only Korah and Sascha will gain blood. Gratiano and Genevieve wil lose blood. > 2/ Is the vote provided by the initial political action card (the one > played to attempt the action) considered to be cast by the acting > minion? If so, does the MEL blood gain apply to oneself? The vote provided by the political card (the card action itself) is not cast by the vampire but by the methuselah. So MEL verison doesn't apply to acting minion if he doesn't have a title or doesn't play vote granting-cards. (same if he doesn't get the oportunity to cast his vote) [ quoted text not captured ]

> The vote provided by the political card (the card action itself) is not cast > by the vampire but by the methuselah. So MEL verison doesn't apply to > acting minion if he doesn't have a title or doesn't play vote > granting-cards. (same if he doesn't get the oportunity to cast his vote) [snip] > > [MEL]: As [mel] above, and any vampire voting in agreement with this > > vampire gains 1 blood from the blood bank. Any vampire voting in > > opposition to this vampire burns 1 blood. Blood is gained or lost when > > the results are tallied. The MEL version carries the two votes from the mel version. The vampire will *always* be voting in agreement with herself. John

lactamaeon wrote: > The MEL version carries the two votes from the mel version. The > vampire will *always* be voting in agreement with herself. Unless she is forced to abstain (Pulling Strings). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3C4DB29A...@white-wolf.com>... > lactamaeon wrote: > > The MEL version carries the two votes from the mel version. The > > vampire will *always* be voting in agreement with herself. > > Unless she is forced to abstain (Pulling Strings). Hmmm... interesting point. If she's forced to abstain, can *anyone* be voting in agreement with her? Or against? That would pretty much nullify the entire card, as far as I can tell...

lactamaeon wrote: > > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3C4DB29A...@white-wolf.com>... > > lactamaeon wrote: > > > The MEL version carries the two votes from the mel version. The > > > vampire will *always* be voting in agreement with herself. > > > > Unless she is forced to abstain (Pulling Strings). > > Hmmm... interesting point. If she's forced to abstain, can *anyone* be > voting in agreement with her? Or against? That would pretty much No. > nullify the entire card, as far as I can tell... It would. [ quoted text not captured ]

> > Hmmm... interesting point. If she's forced to abstain, can *anyone* be > > voting in agreement with her? Or against? That would pretty much > > No. > > > nullify the entire card, as far as I can tell... > > It would. How about canceling her votes (demonstration, kindred manipulation)? Is that the same as forcing an abstention or not?