4 Rules questions

Hi Here are four Vtes questions I hope someone will be able to help me out with :- 1. Moving Retainers. Using Heidelburg Castle, is it possible to move a retainer that requires a discipline, from a vampire with that discipline, to a vampire without it ? For example could I move a Raven Spy from Sammy to Agrippina ? 2. The Same Thing Twice. (pt 1) Is it possible to use Cloak the Gathering twice to modify the same action using different vampires ? e.g. Sammy attempts to bleed and is blocked. He then uses Cloak the Gathering at inferior to give himself +1 stealth. His prey matches that with +1 intercept. At this point could Agrippina use another Cloak the Gathering at superior to give Sammy another +1 stealth ? 3. The Same Thing Twice. (pt 2) How exactly does Quick exit’s press and dodge work ? e.g. If Agrippina gets into combat and uses Quick Exit at superior to dodge her opponents strike. Her opponent then uses a card to give him a press to continue combat. Can Agrippina now use another Quick Exit, this time at inferior, to press to end combat ? 4. Catatonic Fear. Could you please let me know the correct card text for Catatonic Fear and a little about how to use it. Thanks, Stubby.

Stubby wrote: > 1. Moving Retainers. > > Using Heidelburg Castle, is it possible to move a retainer that > requires a discipline, from a vampire with that discipline, to a > vampire without it ? For example could I move a Raven Spy from Sammy > to Agrippina ? Yes. A card in play that requires a particular clan/discipline (or title or whatever) only requires that <whatever> when it is played. Once in play, it can be moved (through whatever means are available) and/or remain where it is without regard to the requirements needed to put into play. Some card text may override this, of course (Powerbase: Berlin, for example). > 2. The Same Thing Twice. (pt 1) > > Is it possible to use Cloak the Gathering twice to modify the same > action using different vampires ? e.g. Sammy attempts to bleed and is Yes. > blocked. He then uses Cloak the Gathering at inferior to give himself > +1 stealth. His prey matches that with +1 intercept. At this point > could Agrippina use another Cloak the Gathering at superior > to give Sammy another +1 stealth ? Yes. > 3. The Same Thing Twice. (pt 2) > > How exactly does Quick exit?s press and dodge work ? e.g. If Agrippina > gets into combat and uses Quick Exit at superior to dodge her > opponents strike. Her opponent then uses a card to give him a press to > continue combat. Can Agrippina now use another Quick Exit, this time > at inferior, to press to end combat ? Yes. There is no per-minion-per-card resitriction on combat cards. (Such a restriction exists only on action modifiers and reaction cards). > 4. Catatonic Fear. > > Could you please let me know the correct card text for Catatonic Fear > and a little about how to use it. Combat - Presence. Inferior: Strike: Combat Ends (simple enough). Superior: As above, and the opposing minion takes one damage after the "combat ends". The change to superior card text is necessary to get the damage to be applied at all, since "Strike: Combat Ends" causes combat to end before any strike's damage can be dealt. [6.4.5.] You use it in combat to end combat. If you do so at superior, then the opposing minion will suffer one damage after combat ends (if the range of that round was 'close', since the damage is not 'R' damage). -- LSJ (vte...@wizards.com) V:TES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/rules.asp

In article <37BD4324...@wizards.com>, LSJ <vte...@wizards.com> wrote: [Snipped] >> 4. Catatonic Fear. Combat - Presence. Inferior: Strike: Combat Ends (simple enough). Superior: As above, and the opposing minion takes one damage after the "combat ends". The change to superior card text is necessary to get the damage to be applied at all, since "Strike: Combat Ends" causes combat to end before any strike's damage can be dealt. [6.4.5.] You use it in combat to end combat. If you do so at superior, then the opposing minion will suffer one damage after combat ends (if the range of that round was 'close', since the damage is not 'R' damage).>> How is the damage dealt by Catatonic Fear different from the damage suffered by drawing out the beast? Drawing out the Beast: "(S) ...opposing vampire suffers 1 damage after each round, which cannot be prevented." Catatonic Fear: "(S) ...opposing minion takes 1 damage after the "combat ends". Thanks, Joe C. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

> You use it in combat to end combat. If you do so at superior, then the > opposing minion will suffer one damage after combat ends (if the range > of that round was 'close', since the damage is not 'R' damage).>> > How is the damage dealt by Catatonic Fear different from the damage > suffered by drawing out the beast? > Drawing out the Beast: > "(S) ...opposing vampire suffers 1 damage after each round, which > cannot be prevented." > Catatonic Fear: > "(S) ...opposing minion takes 1 damage after the "combat ends". I would venture to guess the source of the damage is the difference. Catatonic Fear is a strike while DotB is not. Strikes are dependant on range to determine if damage is actually applied. Sorrow --- I don't want to be alone | I hurt, therefore I am anymore |-------------------------------- I don't want to be anyone | "What are you looking at...? anymore | you never seen anyone try to I don't need a reason to kill myself | commit suicide before?" - Anon ------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Joe C." wrote: > LSJ <vte...@wizards.com> wrote: > [Re: Catatonic Fear] > > Combat - Presence. > > Inferior: Strike: Combat Ends (simple enough). > > Superior: As above, and the opposing minion takes one damage after the > > "combat ends". > > > The change to superior card text is necessary to get the damage to be > > applied at all, since "Strike: Combat Ends" causes combat to end before > > any strike's damage can be dealt. [6.4.5.] > > > You use it in combat to end combat. If you do so at superior, then the > > opposing minion will suffer one damage after combat ends (if the range > > of that round was 'close', since the damage is not 'R' damage).>> > > How is the damage dealt by Catatonic Fear different from the damage > suffered by drawing out the beast? > > Drawing out the Beast: > "(S) ...opposing vampire suffers 1 damage after each round, which > cannot be prevented." > > Catatonic Fear: > "(S) ...opposing minion takes 1 damage after the "combat ends". Drawing Out the Beast: does its damage at the end of the round. [RTR 09-NOV-1994] 1. CataFear's damage is dealt by a strike (and therefore is not "environmental"). Drawing Out the Beast's damage is environmental. 2. CataFear's damage is dealt after combat (outside of combat). DotB's damage is dealt at the end of a round (during combat). This is important for things like Dawn Operation. 3. CataFear's damage is range dependent (since it is strike damage and not 'R' damage). DotB's damage is not. 4. CataFear's damage can be prevented (but not by combat effects, since it is not dealt in combat - Blood Tear would do it, though). DotB's damage is unpreventable. [ quoted text not captured ]

[LSJ text snipped] > How is the damage dealt by Catatonic Fear different from the damage > suffered by drawing out the beast? > > Drawing out the Beast: > "(S) ...opposing vampire suffers 1 damage after each round, which > cannot be prevented." > > Catatonic Fear: > "(S) ...opposing minion takes 1 damage after the "combat ends". I think, and I'm sure this will be clarified either way, that the difference is that the DotB damage is part of an effect (environmental damage), rather than part of a strike as is Catatonic Fear's damage. I think that's why the range matters for Catatonic Fear and not for DotB. We shall find out soon enough, eh? p.