Alex Wilkins
"If Alex successfully bleeds, the target Methuselah may burn an additional pool
to take control of Alex."
If my prey has 2 pool, and I bleed him for 1 with Alex, and he decides to burn
his last pool to trigger Alex's effect, does Alex change control before the
oust (and therefore is removed from game)?
If Alex bleeds and a Major Boon is played:
Can the original target of the bleed still burn a pool to take control of
Alex?
Can the Major Boon player burn an additional pool to take control of Alex?
Donald Cargill
"When a referendum called by your predator passes, Donald burns 1 blood."
If Donald is an anarch, and my predator calls a referendum and plays
Voter Captivation, can Donald burn the blood for his ability, and then
play Final Loosening in response to the Voter Cap to get his blood back?
On Feb 10, 5:45 pm, Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote:
> "If Alex successfully bleeds, the target Methuselah may burn an additional pool
> to take control of Alex."
>> If Alex bleeds and a Major Boon is played:
> Can the original target of the bleed still burn a pool to take control of
> Alex?
Yes; Alex successfully bled. Major Boon does not change the target of
the bleed, it simply changes who burns pool for it. ("You burn pool
for the bleed instead of the target Methuselah")
> Can the Major Boon player burn an additional pool to take control of Alex?
No; the Major Boon player was never the target of the bleed (per Major
Boon's card text as above.)
-John Flournoy
IANALSJ, but...
On Feb 10, 5:45 pm, Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote:
> Alex Wilkins
> "If Alex successfully bleeds, the target Methuselah may burn an additional pool
> to take control of Alex."
>
> If my prey has 2 pool, and I bleed him for 1 with Alex, and he decides to burn
> his last pool to trigger Alex's effect, does Alex change control before the
> oust (and therefore is removed from game)?
>
Signs point to yes.
> If Alex bleeds and a Major Boon is played:
> Can the original target of the bleed still burn a pool to take control of
> Alex?
> Can the Major Boon player burn an additional pool to take control of Alex?
>
I'm 100% sure that John is right on this one. cf.
> Donald Cargill
> "When a referendum called by your predator passes, Donald burns 1 blood."
>
> If Donald is an anarch, and my predator calls a referendum and plays
> Voter Captivation, can Donald burn the blood for his ability, and then
> play Final Loosening in response to the Voter Cap to get his blood back?
Signs point to no. Your predator chooses the order to resolve
effects, so he can either burn a blood off of Donald and *then* play
Voter Cap, or play Voter Cap and *then* burn the blood off Donald. I
see no compelling reason to do the former, so I'd assume he would do
the latter. If he plays the Voter Cap without reminding you to burn
Donald's blood first, then any blood you gain from Final Loosening
would drain off (absent a capacity-increasing effect, etc...).
Chris Berger wrote:
> On Feb 10, 5:45 pm, Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote:>> Alex Wilkins
>> "If Alex successfully bleeds, the target Methuselah may burn an additional pool
>> to take control of Alex."
>>
>> If my prey has 2 pool, and I bleed him for 1 with Alex, and he decides to burn
>> his last pool to trigger Alex's effect, does Alex change control before the
>> oust (and therefore is removed from game)?
>>> Signs point to yes.
Correct.
>> If Alex bleeds and a Major Boon is played:
>> Can the original target of the bleed still burn a pool to take control of
>> Alex?
>> Can the Major Boon player burn an additional pool to take control of Alex?>
> I'm 100% sure that John is right on this one. cf.
Correct ("yes" and "no", resp.).
>> Donald Cargill
>> "When a referendum called by your predator passes, Donald burns 1 blood."
>>
>> If Donald is an anarch, and my predator calls a referendum and plays
>> Voter Captivation, can Donald burn the blood for his ability, and then
>> play Final Loosening in response to the Voter Cap to get his blood back?>
> Signs point to no. Your predator chooses the order to resolve
> effects, so he can either burn a blood off of Donald and *then* play
> Voter Cap, or play Voter Cap and *then* burn the blood off Donald. I
> see no compelling reason to do the former, so I'd assume he would do
> the latter. If he plays the Voter Cap without reminding you to burn
> Donald's blood first, then any blood you gain from Final Loosening
> would drain off (absent a capacity-increasing effect, etc...).
Correct.
"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> Chris Berger wrote:>> Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote:>>> Alex Wilkins
>>> "If Alex successfully bleeds, the target Methuselah
>>> may burn an additional pool to take control of Alex."
>>>
>>> If my prey has 2 pool, and I bleed him for 1 with Alex, and he decides
>>> to burn his last pool to trigger Alex's effect, does Alex change control
>>> before the oust (and therefore is removed from game)?>>
>> Signs point to yes.>
> Correct.
Scott, when is a Methuselah ousted? If the answer is "A Methuselah is
ousted when they are ousted." then shouldn't the Meth burn his last pool
to... and then all effects end?
Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas
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Kevin M. wrote:
> "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:>> Chris Berger wrote:>>> Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote:>>>> Alex Wilkins
>>>> "If Alex successfully bleeds, the target Methuselah
>>>> may burn an additional pool to take control of Alex."
>>>>
>>>> If my prey has 2 pool, and I bleed him for 1 with Alex, and he decides
>>>> to burn his last pool to trigger Alex's effect, does Alex change control
>>>> before the oust (and therefore is removed from game)?>>> Signs point to yes.>> Correct.>
> Scott, when is a Methuselah ousted? If the answer is "A Methuselah is
> ousted when they are ousted." then shouldn't the Meth burn his last pool
> to... and then all effects end?
All effects?
No.
Effects generated by cards in play that the ousted Methuselah controlled end
when those cards are not in play, sure.
Note that the ousted Methuselah controls Alex (having paid the pool), so that
effect (Alex existing) is ended since the ousted Methuselah is ousted.
On Feb 10, 8:22 pm, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote:
> "LSJ" <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> > Chris Berger wrote:
> >> Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote:
> >>> Alex Wilkins
> >>> "If Alex successfully bleeds, the target Methuselah
> >>> may burn an additional pool to take control of Alex."
>
> >>> If my prey has 2 pool, and I bleed him for 1 with Alex, and he decides
> >>> to burn his last pool to trigger Alex's effect, does Alex change control
> >>> before the oust (and therefore is removed from game)?
>
> >> Signs point to yes.
>
> > Correct.
>
> Scott, when is a Methuselah ousted? If the answer is "A Methuselah is
> ousted when they are ousted." then shouldn't the Meth burn his last pool
> to... and then all effects end?
>
There's no gap in time between paying a cost to generate an effect and
that effect happening. I pay a pool to gain control of Alex, so I get
him. After paying the cost, I am ousted, so whee.... I take Alex
with me. Similarly, playing Archon Investigation to burn a minion
when I have only 3 pool - the minion still burns.
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Ooh - even better example... playing Eternals of Sirius when you're at
4 pool leaves you at 5 pool. The effect still happens. If you simply
poof and cease to exist and cancel anything that might be going on
when you get down to 0 pool, how could Life Boon ever be played?