Yet another Bum's Rush q' (LSJ)

Hello, I just wanted to make sure that the card/rules have been either changed or clarified to change this card so much. People have been saying lately that if the vamp using BR is block that they still don't replace the card due to card text, yet another part of the card text is ignored (the manuver). Why is one part ingnored and the other not? Or are they mistaken? Thanx in advance, KM² Umbradomo, Archbishop of Chicago

[ quoted text not captured ] Card text is as follows [in bold] Do not replace until the end of the action [in bold] (D) Enter combat with target vampire, gain an optional maneuver if combat occurs. As with all cards you follow the bold texts instructions, wthere blocked or not. The actual card text is what is blocked. So by playing bums rush, you agree that until the action is over, you will not replace the card. If it is blocked, you fight the blocker. If it is unblocked, you follow the instructions on the card (Enter combat with vampire X gain optional maneuver) If a bums rush is blocked, you do not gain a maneuver, and you do not replace the card.

Dorian <bond...@home.com> wrote: > "Umbradomo" <kmas...@21stcentury.net> wrote: > >I just wanted to make sure that the card/rules have been either > >changed or clarified to change this card so much. People have been > >saying lately that if the vamp using BR is block that they still > >don't replace the card due to card text, yet another part of the card > >text is ignored (the manuver). > >Why is one part ingnored and the other not? Or are they mistaken? > Card text is as follows > [in bold] Do not replace until the end of the action [in bold] > (D) Enter combat with target vampire, gain an optional maneuver if > combat occurs. > > As with all cards you follow the bold texts instructions, wthere > blocked or not. The actual card text is what is blocked. So by playing > bums rush, you agree that until the action is over, you will not > replace the card. Correct. The Bold part of an action card's text above the normal text tells you something about *taking* the action (normally something like "requires a Prince" or "+1 stealth" or "Do not replace...") Obviously the first two ("requires a..." and "+N stealth") apply whether you're blocked or not - in fact they apply before the idea of "am I blocked?" even comes up. Likewise, the question of replacing comes up long before you find out if you're blocked or not (action cards are normally replaced as soon as they're played, like all cards), so the text about replacing cannot depend on being not blocked, and is therefore in bold. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

[ quoted text not captured ] So likewise, you could not replace the Bum's Rush to see if you got more stealth once someone tried to block you. That could cause an "impossible" cycle of possibilities if you could replace the card once you got blocked: 1. "I Bum's Rush", not replacing the action card. 2. (response by opponent) "I block the rush". 3. "Oh, then I replace the Bum's Rush since it failed." 4. "Oh, look I got stealth. I'm now Bum's Rushing with stealth." 5. (response by opponent) "In that case, I can't block." ...in which case the acting meth could never have drawn for the stealth in the first place. Fred

On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 00:38:49 GMT, Frederick Scott <fre...@netcom.com> wrote: > >So likewise, you could not replace the Bum's Rush to see if you got >more stealth once someone tried to block you. That could cause an >"impossible" cycle of possibilities if you could replace the card once >you got blocked: > >1. "I Bum's Rush", not replacing the action card. > >2. (response by opponent) "I block the rush". > >3. "Oh, then I replace the Bum's Rush since it failed." > >4. "Oh, look I got stealth. I'm now Bum's Rushing with >stealth." > >5. (response by opponent) "In that case, I can't block." > >...in which case the acting meth could never have drawn for the >stealth in the first place. > >Fred Ouch. I think you broke my brain.