rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

Perfectionist and Freak Drive LSJ

7 messages from 5 participants · 22 January 2010 – 25 January 2010
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librarian

Vamp A is full and has for and is a Perfectionist. Takes an action that costs no blood. Freak Drives and pays the blood. Takes another action that costs no blood. No reactions were played on either action. The blood it seems could go either way: Action 1 Perfectionist blood goes on, then burns off since vamp is full. Freak Drive Vamp is down 1 blood. Action 2 Vamp ends at capacity -1 blood. OR Action 1 Freak Drive Vamp is down 1 blood Action 2 Perfectionist blood goes on Vamp ends at full capacity. Text of Perfectionist is pretty clear that the gaining of the blood is not optional. However, after the first action, you don't know that the second action will succeed with no reactions being played. So, you can't choose to delay the Perfectionist blood gain, can you? Or can you? Perfectionist [Gehenna:C, KoT:C] Cardtype: Master Master: archetype. Put this card on a vampire you control. Once per turn, when this vampire sucessfully performs an action and no reaction cards are played, he or she gains 1 blood after the action is resolved. A vampire can have only one archetype. Artist: Ken Meyer, Jr. best - chris

Neil

On Jan 22, 6:33 am, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > Vamp A is full and has for and is a Perfectionist. > > Takes an action that costs no blood. Freak Drives and pays > the blood. Takes another action that costs no blood. No > reactions were played on either action. > > The blood it seems could go either way: > > Action 1 > Perfectionist blood goes on, then burns off since vamp is full. > Freak Drive > Vamp is down 1 blood. > Action 2 > Vamp ends at capacity -1 blood. AFAICS, Freak Drive is played in the same "after resolving the action" window as the blood gain from Perfectionist, so surely you can order these effects as you choose? So why not? Action 1 Freak Drive Perfectionist blood goes on for successful action (since now longer full) Action 2

LSJ

On Jan 22, 4:46 am, Neil <drnlmul...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 22, 6:33 am, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > > > Vamp A is full and has for and is a Perfectionist. > > > Takes an action that costs no blood. Freak Drives and pays > > the blood. Takes another action that costs no blood. No > > reactions were played on either action. > > > The blood it seems could go either way: > > > Action 1 > > Perfectionist blood goes on, then burns off since vamp is full. > > Freak Drive > > Vamp is down 1 blood. > > Action 2 > > Vamp ends at capacity -1 blood. > > AFAICS, Freak Drive is played in the same "after resolving the action" > window as the blood gain from Perfectionist, so surely you can order > these effects as you choose? Correct. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/2413eb58f02b8ebd [ quoted text not captured ]

Meej

On Jan 21, 11:33 pm, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > Text of Perfectionist is pretty clear that the gaining of > the blood is not optional. However, after the first action, > you don't know that the second action will succeed with no > reactions being played. So, you can't choose to delay the > Perfectionist blood gain, can you? Or can you? I'm pretty sure that there's no option to delay Perfectionist under any circumstances. The first time in a turn the conditions are met, it happens. (As stated and confirmed by LSJ, though, there's no reason you can't play the freak, then put the Perfectionist blood on.) - D.J.

LSJ

librarian

[ quoted text not captured ] So if vamp has Rutor's hand and Perfectionist, takes 2 actions, the second of which costs a blood, xe can't use the Perfectionist on the 2nd action? I.e., the blood flow MUST look like this: Vamp full Action 1 (no reaction cards played) Perfectionist can be used in this window, or not at all again this turn. Vamp blood: capacity +1 blood, 1 blood drains off OR Vamp blood: no change (Perfectionist not used) Action 2 costs 1 blood (no reaction cards played) Vamp ending blood: Capacity -1 blood. That's correct, right? best - chris

floppyzedolfin

On Jan 25, 8:10 am, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > So if vamp has Rutor's hand and Perfectionist, takes 2 > actions, the second of which costs a blood, xe can't use the > Perfectionist on the 2nd action? I.e., the blood flow MUST > look like this: > > Vamp full > Action 1 (no reaction cards played) > Perfectionist can be used in this window, or not at all > again this turn. > Vamp blood: capacity +1 blood, 1 blood drains off > > OR > > Vamp blood: no change (Perfectionist not used) > > Action 2 costs 1 blood (no reaction cards played) > Vamp ending blood: Capacity -1 blood. > > That's correct, right? > > best - > > chris You don't "use" the Perfectionist. It (mandatorily) triggers on its side without asking for your permission. Action 1 If successful, no reaction cards played: Gain 1 from Perfectionist. Blood excess drains off, as usual. Action 2 If successful, no reaction cards played, and if Perfectionist hasn't been triggered previously: Gain 1 from Perfectionist. Blood excess drains off. In your example, the vampire would end with capacity - 1 blood.