Rules Team Rulings: 05/30/96

GENERAL RULINGS See Reversal #2 and Errata #13. REVERSALS 1) Cards such as Enchant Kindred and Govern the Unaligned can only add blood to vampires in your uncontrolled region, not in someone else's. This is because the action does not have the (D) symbol. 2) Certain non-combat cards have the words "Do not replace until after combat." Examples include Arson and Wake with Evening's Freshness. These cards are not replaced until either the action is blocked and that combat has ended or the action is completed without being blocked. ERRATA TO CARDS AND RULES 1) Donal O'Connor forces a vampire blocking him to burn 1 blood immediately regardless of whether combat begins. 2) Basic Cat Burglary is a directed action. 3) Superior Pulse of Canaille should begin with the words, "If this is the first time Pulse of Canaille has been played on the acting vampire..." It is not cumulative. 4) Renegade Garou's innate damage is considered to be hand damage. 5) The first sentence of Malkavian Prank should begin with "Each other Methuselah..." You cannot play a prank on yourself. 6) Hidden Lurker is an action modifier played by a vampire other than the acting vampire. 7) Academic Hunting Ground gives blood to vampires during the untap phase, not the master phase. 8) Elder Intervention and Rats' Warning can be used during any bleed attempt made against you, not just ones declared against you. For example, you can use them when a bleed is Deflected to you. 9) A vampire who gets a bleed bonus if your prey controls a vampire of a certain clan (or other sect) should get her bleed bonus if the Methuselah she bleeds controls a vampire of that clan (or sect). Thus, the vampires your prey controls only matter if you're bleeding your prey. This includes: Constanza Vinzi, Cornelius Ottavio, Elisabetta Romano, Katarina, Queen Anne, Rebekka, Ranjan Rishi, and Sigrid Bekker 10) On Clan Loyalty, ignore the word "other"; the vampire currently attempting to block the action is not allowed to attempt to block the acting vampire this turn. 11) If you play The Embrace or Progeny successfully, shuffle your library afterwards. 12) Soul Gem of Etrius does not have a pool cost. 13) Any retainer that refers to the "vampire" employing the retainer should be read as referring to the "minion" employing the retainer instead, unless the retainer's ability involves something that clearly only applies to vampires, such as rescuing vampires in torpor or burning blood. Note that this is only likely to be relevant for retainers without a Discipline or clan requirement, but the errata still applies to those with such a requirement. This includes: Ghoul Escort, Ghoul Retainer, Guiseppe, J.S. Simmons, Jackal (from Ancient Hearts), Jackie Therman, Mr. Winthrop, Owl Companion, Raven Spy, Resplendent Protector, Spiritual Protector, Tasha Morgan, Wolf Companion, and Zombie. 14) Ignore the words "untap this acting vampire" on Force of Will. The vampire playing the card only takes one action: a (D) action to bleed with the extra bleed and the damage afterwards. CARD RULINGS 1) Astrid Thomas can only change the votes of other Tremere if she actually casts her votes. If her votes are canceled by an effect such as Pulled Strings, the other Tremere votes remain as they were. 2) If you play superior Spying Mission, the bleed you play it on is considered unsuccessful. Previous Spying Missions won't be cashed in during that action. 3) When Business Pressure is played, each Methuselah must decide how much pool to burn for it during the resolution of the effect. It does not give each player an ability for the rest of the political action. However, there can be some give and take during the resolution of the effect. For example, each Methuselah can choose to burn 1 pool at a time as pool is burned for votes. Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie) wrote: > > GENERAL RULINGS An excellent set of rulings, and in particular... > ERRATA TO CARDS AND RULES > > 6) Hidden Lurker is an action modifier played by a vampire other than > the acting vampire. Woo woo woo! Hidden Lurker as a no-stealth action was probably the one card that burned my shorts the most. :-) I would still like to see superior Enchant Kindred as a +1 stealth action, but that card isn't crucial to a strategy whereas Hidden Lurker _is_ crucial to a Nosferatu (or for that matter Giovanni) combat deck. You may be able to beat up or avoid that _first_ Nossie, but what about that other one just around the corner? Do you dare block Duck with his big brother, Marty, nearby? Hmmm? <evil laughter here> --Eric

On 31 May 1996, Thomas R Wylie wrote: > 3) Superior Pulse of Canaille should begin with the words, "If this is the > first time Pulse of Canaille has been played on the acting vampire..." It > is not cumulative. Seems a little redundant with most other Jyhad rulings (excepting the new errata to change several cards to +1 hand damage) which seems to say that 3 means 3, not +2. > 6) Hidden Lurker is an action modifier played by a vampire other than the > acting vampire. Thank you so much! I've been waiting so long! In any case, I'm curious how this decision came out. > 9) A vampire who gets a bleed bonus if your prey controls a vampire of a > certain clan (or other sect) should get her bleed bonus if the Methuselah > she bleeds controls a vampire of that clan (or sect). Thus, the vampires > your prey controls only matter if you're bleeding your prey. This > includes: Constanza Vinzi, Cornelius Ottavio, Elisabetta Romano, Katarina, > Queen Anne, Rebekka, Ranjan Rishi, and Sigrid Bekker A very sensible ruling. > 14) Ignore the words "untap this acting vampire" on Force of Will. The > vampire playing the card only takes one action: a (D) action to bleed with > the extra bleed and the damage afterwards. :) Thank you so much for the ruling on Hidden LUrker. Nossies be back! ;) "I can send and receive e-mail even over the Internet"-aol commercial @#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$ # Adrian Sullivan sull...@cslab.uwlax.edu Spoutingly yours 8^) # $ GAT/CS/O/WS R+++* tv&--- b++(+++)&+ t X++&-- 5->? e+*>++++ PS+&-+ @ # PE&++&- C(+++)$ UX+>+++$ N++(+) K+>++++ w---$>? M++$ r(+) z*+? 3.1# @#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$

The Corrupter <sull...@cslab.uwlax.edu> wrote: >> 3) Superior Pulse of Canaille should begin with the words, "If this is the >> first time Pulse of Canaille has been played on the acting vampire..." It >> is not cumulative. >Seems a little redundant with most other Jyhad rulings (excepting the new >errata to change several cards to +1 hand damage) which seems to say that >3 means 3, not +2. The VTES version gives the vampire +2 bleed, rather than setting its bleed to 3 (which actually makes it just like the new hand damage template). >> 6) Hidden Lurker is an action modifier played by a vampire other than the >> acting vampire. >Thank you so much! I've been waiting so long! In any case, I'm curious >how this decision came out. It needed either this errata, or errata to be a (D) action, so we decided to go with the popular vote :) [ quoted text not captured ]

Wow, great. Reasonable rulings and clear distinctions between rulings and errata. One question: if a Wake is played, combat ensues, and somebody plays Hidden Lurker/Fast Reaction, is the Wake then replaced prior to the next combat? I'm assuming yes from the wording. Curt Adams (curt...@aol.com)

Eric Pettersen wrote: > > pe...@cgl.ucsf.edu (Eric Pettersen) wrote: > > aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie) wrote: > > > > > > ERRATA TO CARDS AND RULES > > ... > > > 6) Hidden Lurker is an action modifier played by a vampire other than the > > > acting vampire. > > > > In my enthusiasm for this ruling, I forgot to ask a few obvious questions. > > The first two questions are foundation for the others: does playing an > > action modifier tap the playing minion? Can a tapped minion play an action > > modifier? I think the answer to both is yes... > > I think the answer is NO to the first and YES to the second. Can I get > government money for a reading diability? I reread my own posts and still > botch them 85% of the time. <sigh> > > --Eric Actually.. I believe only ready, untapped minions can play reaction cards... WyldStar

aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie) wrote: > > ERRATA TO CARDS AND RULES ... > 6) Hidden Lurker is an action modifier played by a vampire other than the > acting vampire. In my enthusiasm for this ruling, I forgot to ask a few obvious questions. The first two questions are foundation for the others: does playing an action modifier tap the playing minion? Can a tapped minion play an action modifier? I think the answer to both is yes, (so superior Cloak the Gathering can be played by tapped minions, for instance) but I thought I'd check. The natural follow-up question is: does the newly errataed Hidden Lurker work as the text of the Jyhad version says (i.e. playable only by an untapped minion; tap that minion)? Thanks, Tom. --- Eric Pettersen pe...@cgl.ucsf.edu (NeXTmail capable)

pe...@cgl.ucsf.edu (Eric Pettersen) wrote: > aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie) wrote: > > > > ERRATA TO CARDS AND RULES > ... > > 6) Hidden Lurker is an action modifier played by a vampire other than the > > acting vampire. > > In my enthusiasm for this ruling, I forgot to ask a few obvious questions. > The first two questions are foundation for the others: does playing an > action modifier tap the playing minion? Can a tapped minion play an action [ quoted text not captured ]

On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, WildStar wrote: > Eric Pettersen wrote: > > pe...@cgl.ucsf.edu (Eric Pettersen) wrote: > > > In my enthusiasm for this ruling, I forgot to ask a few obvious questions. > > > The first two questions are foundation for the others: does playing an > > > action modifier tap the playing minion? Can a tapped minion play an action > > > modifier? I think the answer to both is yes... > > I think the answer is NO to the first and YES to the second. Can I get > > government money for a reading diability? I reread my own posts and still > > botch them 85% of the time. <sigh> > Actually.. I believe only ready, untapped minions can play reaction cards... Hidden Lurker is an action Modifier not a reaction. [ quoted text not captured ]

Tapped minions can play action modifiers (acting vampires do it all the time..) Tapped minions cannot play reactions. Neither type of card taps the minion playing it. [ quoted text not captured ]

CurtAdams <curt...@aol.com> wrote: >One question: if a Wake is played, combat ensues, and somebody plays >Hidden Lurker/Fast Reaction, is the Wake then replaced prior to the next >combat? I'm assuming yes from the wording. Yes, as reversal #2 from the same list of rulings will tell you :) [ quoted text not captured ]

On 6 Jun 1996, Eric Pettersen wrote: > pe...@cgl.ucsf.edu (Eric Pettersen) wrote: > > aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie) wrote: > > > > > > ERRATA TO CARDS AND RULES > > ... > > > 6) Hidden Lurker is an action modifier played by a vampire other than the > > > acting vampire. > > > > In my enthusiasm for this ruling, I forgot to ask a few obvious questions. > > The first two questions are foundation for the others: does playing an > > action modifier tap the playing minion? Can a tapped minion play an action > > modifier? I think the answer to both is yes... > > I think the answer is NO to the first and YES to the second. Well, let's forget that you've answered you own question for a minute and ponder a new issue: - May hidden lurker be played by a tapped minion? - May someone play action modifiers without being the acting minion? (e.g. have a ventrue 'seduct' a potential blocker so that the action taken by the brujah is unblockable by the seducted minion)? [specific exception to cloak the gathering, superior]. Hope I made myself clear... It's not always easy, you know... :) David Pontes 8[

In article <4p7sql$8...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, Thomas R Wylie <aa...@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote: > >Tapped minions can play action modifiers (acting vampires do it all the time..) >Tapped minions cannot play reactions. >Neither type of card taps the minion playing it. Are you saying that the VtES version of Hidden Lurker (newly errata'ed to be an action modifier) can be played by a tapped vampire, and won't tap thatvampire if he is untapped (because it doesn't have the "I'm an action modifier"-style restrictions that the Jyhad version did)?

In article <31B5EA...@ix.netcom.com>, WildStar <Wyld...@ix.netcom.com> writes: > Eric Pettersen wrote: > > > > pe...@cgl.ucsf.edu (Eric Pettersen) wrote: > > > aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie) wrote: > > > > > > > > ERRATA TO CARDS AND RULES > > > ... > > > > 6) Hidden Lurker is an action modifier played by a vampire other than the > > > > acting vampire. > > > > > > In my enthusiasm for this ruling, I forgot to ask a few obvious questions. > > > The first two questions are foundation for the others: does playing an > > > action modifier tap the playing minion? Can a tapped minion play an action > > > modifier? I think the answer to both is yes... > > > > I think the answer is NO to the first and YES to the second. Can I get > > government money for a reading diability? I reread my own posts and still > > botch them 85% of the time. <sigh> > > > > --Eric > > Actually.. I believe only ready, untapped minions can play reaction cards... > Except, of course, for Wake with Evening's Freshness. However, this is irrelevant, as this is a discussion about Action Modifiers. :) > WyldStar Ritaxis "This knife is WAY too fun." -Never say this

aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie) wrote: > > Tapped minions can play action modifiers (acting vampires do it all the > time..) Tapped minions cannot play reactions. Neither type of card taps > the minion playing it. Yes, good, as I thought. But the main intent of those questions was to ask if the newly errataed Hidden Lurker worked that way (could be played by a tapped minion; if played by an untapped minion then that minion needn't tap), or if it is used as per the Jyhad HL text (playable only by an untapped minion that taps to do HL)? That was the real question. [ quoted text not captured ]

Whups. Both versions of Hidden Lurker tap the vampire playing them, even though they are action modifiers (more errata to the VTES version). [ quoted text not captured ]