Poor Taste Question

VTES generally forbids meaningless actions played merely for card cycling. How about playing Taste of Vitae when no blood has been lost by the opposing minion? This seems perfectly legal according to card text, though violating the unwritten spirit of no meaningless actions. Steal blood strikes when the opposing minion has no blood seem similar. Steal/destroy equipment are forbidden when no equipment is present, but presume steal blood doesn't target. A Vampire always has blood (thus it isn't a targeted effect) - even when it has no blood. :-) Tom Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

Tom Kassel <tka...@my-deja.com> wrote: > VTES generally forbids meaningless actions played merely for card > cycling. Not really. A full vampire can hunt, you can play Conditioning when your prey has one pool, you can play Wolf Claws when striking an empty vampire, etc. > How about playing Taste of Vitae when no blood has been lost > by the opposing minion? This seems perfectly legal according to card > text, though violating the unwritten spirit of no meaningless actions. It is legal. > Steal blood strikes when the opposing minion has no blood seem > similar. Steal/destroy equipment are forbidden when no equipment is > present, but presume steal blood doesn't target. A Vampire always has > blood (thus it isn't a targeted effect) - even when it has no blood. Steal blood targets the minion whose blood/life you wish to steal. It is legal to target an empty vampire with such a strike. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <93ccs1$dpj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > Tom Kassel <tka...@my-deja.com> wrote: > > VTES generally forbids meaningless actions played merely for card > > cycling. > > Not really. Perhaps generally was a little meaninglessly unspecific. I was thinking of stealth/intercept and manuever/press rulings. > A full vampire can hunt, you can play Conditioning when your > prey has one pool, you can play Wolf Claws when striking an > empty vampire, etc. > > > How about playing Taste of Vitae when no blood has been lost > > by the opposing minion? This seems perfectly legal according to card > > text, though violating the unwritten spirit of no meaningless actions. > > It is legal. > It's amusing how much disagreement zero can cause at times. I remember arguing that an attack with no characters could be legal in Shadowfist (as it is in L5R) but the opposition was huge on principle. At any rate, thanks for the confirmation. > > Steal blood strikes when the opposing minion has no blood seem > > similar. Steal/destroy equipment are forbidden when no equipment is > > present, but presume steal blood doesn't target. A Vampire always has > > blood (thus it isn't a targeted effect) - even when it has no blood. > > Steal blood targets the minion whose blood/life you wish to steal. > It is legal to target an empty vampire with such a strike. Not exactly targeting when there is no actual choice of minion, is it? Or does the hypothetical presence of a retainer establish the concept of targetting? Only at long range, of course. Tom [ quoted text not captured ]

Tom Kassel <tka...@my-deja.com> wrote: > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > Steal blood targets the minion whose blood/life you wish to steal. > > It is legal to target an empty vampire with such a strike. > > Not exactly targeting when there is no actual choice of minion, is it? > Or does the hypothetical presence of a retainer establish the concept > of targetting? Only at long range, of course. Yeah. Most strikes* target something. The default hand strike at close range targets the opposing minion. That no choice in targets exists doesn't change the idea that the strike has a target. The default bleed action targets the prey, even though no choice exists. *Only weird strikes like Dodge and (most) S:CE have no target. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]