Huitzilopotchli.... or not?

I was reading the spoilers for the baali vampires and I came to the conclusion that the rare 10 cap baali is actually the worst of the 5! Really, who cares if he has 6 superiors?? Does anyone use 6 disciplines in a deck? 5? not may decks even have 4... and with the baali so ties in with the FoS, it wont be easy to fit a 10cap infernal guy into other decks, now will it? If he had SER, then he would be very usefull to the setites. But plus one bleed and having to PAY a pool to get another master.. mmm... and another pool to untap him... mmm... in a setite deck even Sarrasine would be more useful for the extra master, and you´re not exactly hurting for +1 bleed when you have presence as an in-clan... Just to clarify, this is not a rant, just my trying to say that the 10 cap rare guy is, in my opinion the worst of the 5 baali in bloodlines. The 5 cap gets you the edge even when hunting and has +1 strength to boot, the 7 cap lets you discard like hell and makes people pay to block you, the other 7 cap strikes for aggravated, the 8 cap has ser, reduces only your prey´s hand and can get stealth from the edge.... all much better don´t you think? the only thing the 10cap guy does better is call the great beast in one action... nothing discipline cards and/or diablerie cant do for the others... Just as a sdie question, there are no new political actions are there?

Daniel Figueiredo wrote: > the > only thing the 10cap guy does better is call the great beast in one > action... 10 cap -> two actions. One to play CtGB. One to add the eleventh counter. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

the > only thing the 10cap guy does better is call the great beast in one > action... nothing discipline cards and/or diablerie cant do for the > others... Just as a sdie question, there are no new political actions > are there? I think you hit the nail on the head. You influence Huitzipochtliziseroticabarneyrubblefruitypebbles out and immediately Minion Tap him and use his special to do an additional master action then play Call the Great Beast. Free uber vampire!! Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown, Jr. XZealot Archon of the Swamp

>I think you hit the nail on the head. You influence >Huitzipochtliziseroticabarneyrubblefruitypebbles out and immediately Minion >Tap him and use his special to do an additional master action then play Call >the Great Beast. Free uber vampire!! And don't forget that with 6 superiors, Huitzwhateverhisnameis can do some hideous things with Sanguine Instruction... Halcyan 2

> I think you hit the nail on the head. You influence > Huitzipochtliziseroticabarneyrubblefruitypebbles out and immediately Minion > Tap him and use his special to do an additional master action then play Call > the Great Beast. Free uber vampire!! Almost free...you can only Tap Huitzilopokeyslamaramadingdangboom for 8, so he has 2 Blood, then paying 1 pool for the Master phase right away (Fragment of the Book of Nod or the Barrens, for discarding all the other Great Beasts), 1 blood for the Call the Great Beast action, and then he needs the last blood so he doesn't have to hunt, but can put on the last ritual counter (after paying a second pool). But, the Great Beast can act right away, in a sense saving you an action! If you feeling really "loopy," I guess you choose Fortitude as a discipline, Clan Impersonate[0] to Baali, Freak Drive, Call the Great Beast YOURSELF, Freak Drive, put a counter on it, Freak Drive, (D) Kill someone, Freak Drive, Bleed for 3...whatever. The point is that it looks like the Great Beast (if the text GreySeer posted is actually correct) can have it's own call, and since it burns upon putting the last ritual counter on it, it will never contest itself. It would give you something to do with the other 7 Call the Great Beasts you put in the deck (to make it show up in your opening hand), anyway. =) [0] Pointless extra spice; add 3 Clandestine Contracts and 3 Provisions, to have another clan to bother changing to with those extra CI's. -- Pat Ricochet Soul Jar'rn Fool of Atlanta

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3C0BA3E4...@white-wolf.com... > Daniel Figueiredo wrote: > > the > > only thing the 10cap guy does better is call the great beast in one > > action... > > 10 cap -> two actions. One to play CtGB. One to add the eleventh counter. are there 11 counters required? Someone posted the text out of memory and then there was only 9 counters required, which is right? Rlger

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Pat Ricochet <sp...@socrates.gatech.edu> wrote in message news:<B8311F93.973D%sp...@socrates.gatech.edu>... > > I think you hit the nail on the head. You influence > > Huitzipochtliziseroticabarneyrubblefruitypebbles out and immediately Minion > > Tap him and use his special to do an additional master action then play Call > > the Great Beast. Free uber vampire!! If you had 12 Huitzicalifragilisticexpialidociouses, they'd make a great crypt. Influence one out, next turn put a Fortitude master on him, equip with the Soul Gem, Freak Drive and then Summon the Great Beast. H . . . leaves, Great Beast arrives, new H . . . arrives. The new H . . . also Summons the Great Beast while the Great Beast bleeds or rushes or whatever. Next turn, put a Fortitude master on the new H . . ., who then puts the final ritual counter on Summon the Great Beast. The new new H . . . then Summons the Great Beast while the two Great Beasts bleed or rush or whatever. (Assuming Call the Great Beast works the way the spoiler we've seen says.) Sure, the infernal cost of the Great Beasts will be expensive in the long run, but you need only spend 10 pool on bringing out vampires. Too bad the cards are all so rare; very few people will have the cards they need to make this deck.

Emmit Svenson wrote: > If you had 12 Huitzicalifragilisticexpialidociouses, they'd make a > great crypt. Influence one out, next turn put a Fortitude master on > him, equip with the Soul Gem, Freak Drive and then Summon the Great > Beast. H . . . leaves, Great Beast arrives, new H . . . arrives. The > new H . . . also Summons the Great Beast while the Great Beast bleeds > or rushes or whatever. Next turn, put a Fortitude master on the new H > . . ., who then puts the final ritual counter on Summon the Great > Beast. The new new H . . . then Summons the Great Beast while the two > Great Beasts bleed or rush or whatever. ... while the two Great Beasts are out of play contesting one another, you mean. [ quoted text not captured ]

Unfortuanantly the below is moot. The Great Beast is a unique vampire. Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown, Jr. XZealot Archon of the Swamp > If you had 12 Huitzicalifragilisticexpialidociouses, they'd make a [ quoted text not captured ]

> Check the card, or believe me above. > I can't offer much more than that. I checked today, it's 11

In message <u0qrhd4...@news.supernews.com>, GreySeer [ quoted text not captured ] According to the texts I've seen, it's "more than 10". (Which for most practical purposes is 11.) -- James Coupe When correctly viewed PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D Everything is lewd EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 I could tell you things about Peter Pan 13D7E668C3695D623D5D And the Wizard of Oz, there's a dirty old man

Huitzilopochtli (R2) Baali Capacity 10 AUS DAI DOM OBF PRE POT Independent: During your master phase, you may pay a pool to gain a master phase action if Huitzilopochtli is ready. +1 bleed. Infernal. Can you use huitzilopochtlis special ability more than once during your masterphase? "Daniel Figueiredo" <om...@uol.com.br> wrote in message news:b2fbf7ad.01120...@posting.google.com... > I was reading the spoilers for the baali vampires and I came to the > conclusion that the rare 10 cap baali is actually the worst of the 5! > Really, who cares if he has 6 superiors?? Does anyone use 6 > disciplines in a deck? 5? not may decks even have 4... and with the > baali so ties in with the FoS, it wont be easy to fit a 10cap infernal > guy into other decks, now will it? If he had SER, then he would be > very usefull to the setites. But plus one bleed and having to PAY a > pool to get another master.. mmm... and another pool to untap him... > mmm... in a setite deck even Sarrasine would be more useful for the > extra master, and you愉e not exactly hurting for +1 bleed when you > have presence as an in-clan... Just to clarify, this is not a rant, > just my trying to say that the 10 cap rare guy is, in my opinion the > worst of the 5 baali in bloodlines. The 5 cap gets you the edge even > when hunting and has +1 strength to boot, the 7 cap lets you discard > like hell and makes people pay to block you, the other 7 cap strikes > for aggravated, the 8 cap has ser, reduces only your prey愀 hand and > can get stealth from the edge.... all much better don愒 you think? the [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <B8311F93.973D%sp...@socrates.gatech.edu>, Pat Ricochet <sp...@socrates.gatech.edu> wrote: >> I think you hit the nail on the head. You influence >> Huitzipochtliziseroticabarneyrubblefruitypebbles out and immediately Minion >> Tap him and use his special to do an additional master action then play Call >> the Great Beast. Free uber vampire!! > > Almost free...you can only Tap Huitzilopokeyslamaramadingdangboom for 8, >so he has 2 Blood, then paying 1 pool for the Master phase right away >(Fragment of the Book of Nod or the Barrens, for discarding all the other >Great Beasts), 1 blood for the Call the Great Beast action, and then he >needs the last blood so he doesn't have to hunt, but can put on the last >ritual counter (after paying a second pool). Hmm, based on the text given in the spoilers, it seems that the Great Beast can Call the Great Beast. Use Huitziwhateverwithcholocatesprinkles to get the first Great Beast, then Have the Great Beast Call the Great Beast. Minion Tap him and cycle him through every two turns. It's not a 5th Tradition/Minion Tap, but it is half as good and it doesn't require a Camarilla Title. Plus, the Great Beast can kick serious booty as needed... --------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail: santiago [at] umug [dot] org || Web: http://santiago.umug.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ceci n'est pas un 'sig block'."

The Emperor wrote: > > Huitzilopochtli (R2) > Baali > Capacity 10 > AUS DAI DOM OBF PRE POT > Independent: During your master phase, you may pay a pool to gain a > master phase action if Huitzilopochtli is ready. +1 bleed. Infernal. > > Can you use huitzilopochtlis special ability more than once during your > masterphase? No. Standard "During X, Do Y" template. [ quoted text not captured ]

"Santiago" <sant...@nastyPinkCannedMeat.umug.org> wrote in message news:santiago-A8527F...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu... > In article <B8311F93.973D%sp...@socrates.gatech.edu>, > Pat Ricochet <sp...@socrates.gatech.edu> wrote: > > >> I think you hit the nail on the head. You influence > >> Huitzipochtliziseroticabarneyrubblefruitypebbles out and immediately Minion > >> Tap him and use his special to do an additional master action then play Call > >> the Great Beast. Free uber vampire!! > > > > Almost free...you can only Tap Huitzilopokeyslamaramadingdangboom for 8, > >so he has 2 Blood, then paying 1 pool for the Master phase right away > >(Fragment of the Book of Nod or the Barrens, for discarding all the other > >Great Beasts), 1 blood for the Call the Great Beast action, and then he > >needs the last blood so he doesn't have to hunt, but can put on the last > >ritual counter (after paying a second pool). > > Hmm, based on the text given in the spoilers, it seems that the > Great Beast can Call the Great Beast. Use > Huitziwhateverwithcholocatesprinkles to get the first Great Beast, then > Have the Great Beast Call the Great Beast. Minion Tap him and cycle him > through every two turns. It's not a 5th Tradition/Minion Tap, but it is > half as good and it doesn't require a Camarilla Title. Plus, the Great > Beast can kick serious booty as needed... For even more fun you can Possession Huitzithingymabobwhatchamajingo back into play w/ a handy nec vampire ( even if you just use the Sargon Fragment ).

"X_Zealot" <x_ze...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:<pXNO7.55247$S93.1...@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com>... > the > > only thing the 10cap guy does better is call the great beast in one > > action... nothing discipline cards and/or diablerie cant do for the > > others... Just as a sdie question, there are no new political actions > > are there? > > I think you hit the nail on the head. You influence > Huitzipochtliziseroticabarneyrubblefruitypebbles out and immediately Minion > Tap him and use his special to do an additional master action then play Call > the Great Beast. Free uber vampire!! And 3 superiors... how about Necromancy and Possessing the vampire straight back into play? Or adding a Soul Gem and getting the next man out free? I think the key is in adding one discipline card onto the Unpronouncable One, making him an 11, bringing out the Great Beast in one fell swoop. First Master - add (I dunno!) Skillcard Fortitude. First action - Soul Gem. Second Master - Minion Tap for Lots Second Action - Call the Great Beast Third Master - Redeem the Lost Soul Third action... who cares! So, net effect is a FREE 9 cap uberhosebeastmonstergitfacedwonder who has his Infernalism set up for ages to come. Only threat is the Banishment angle... Martin "Filthy" Cubberley was working on a crazy way of screwing your prey... Add Fortitude and Obfuscate master skillcards to your preys biggest vampire. When he is fat enough, Mind Rape. Clan Imp to Baali. Freak Drive. Call the Great Beast. Burn him / her. If it doesn't happen straight away, keep stealing to add counters. Much Joy if your prey influences Arika or Stanislava... I personally thought it would work better with Temptation. Ah well... DH

> Martin "Filthy" Cubberley was working on a crazy way of screwing your > prey... > > Add Fortitude and Obfuscate master skillcards to your preys biggest > vampire. When he is fat enough, Mind Rape. Clan Imp to Baali. Freak > Drive. Call the Great Beast. Burn him / her. If it doesn't happen > straight away, keep stealing to add counters. Much Joy if your prey > influences Arika or Stanislava... > > I personally thought it would work better with Temptation. Ah well... I'm pretty sure CtGB requires the minion to be infernal ( damnit I gotta get me one ).

>> Add Fortitude and Obfuscate master skillcards to your preys biggest >> vampire. When he is fat enough, Mind Rape. Clan Imp to Baali. Freak >> Drive. Call the Great Beast. Burn him / her. If it doesn't happen >> straight away, keep stealing to add counters. Much Joy if your prey >> influences Arika or Stanislava... >> >> I personally thought it would work better with Temptation. Ah well... > >I'm pretty sure CtGB requires the minion to be infernal ( damnit I gotta get >me one ). And Mind Rape requires younger vampires, so you'll need a 12-cap to Mind Rape Arika. Better off with Temptation. Surely there must be some way for a minion to become Infernal though. True Faith has a special clause just for that. Halcyan 2

On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 14:02:58 +1100, "GreySeer" <e...@i.think.not> wrote: > "Santiago" <sant...@nastyPinkCannedMeat.umug.org> wrote in message > news:santiago-A8527F...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu... > > In article <B8311F93.973D%sp...@socrates.gatech.edu>, > > Pat Ricochet <sp...@socrates.gatech.edu> wrote: > > > > >> I think you hit the nail on the head. You influence > > >> Huitzipochtliziseroticabarneyrubblefruitypebbles out and immediately > Minion > > >> Tap him and use his special to do an additional master action then play > Call > > >> the Great Beast. Free uber vampire!! > > > > > > Almost free...you can only Tap Huitzilopokeyslamaramadingdangboom for > 8, > > >so he has 2 Blood, then paying 1 pool for the Master phase right away > > >(Fragment of the Book of Nod or the Barrens, for discarding all the other > > >Great Beasts), 1 blood for the Call the Great Beast action, and then he > > >needs the last blood so he doesn't have to hunt, but can put on the last > > >ritual counter (after paying a second pool). Instead of the Barrens/Fragment, use a master discipline card to increase Huitzilopochtli 's capacity by one, then you won't need an action to put a counter on the Great Beast and can leave Huitzilopochtli with only one blood. Fortitude seems like a good choice, that way you can even make the action unblockable. Hmmm... question [LSJ]: if you Call the Great Beast with an 11 cap and he Dares the Dawn at inferior while doing it and burns afterwards, is there time for CtGB's text to kick in? I'd say yes, since the damage from Daring the Dawn is applied after the action is complete... :-) > > Hmm, based on the text given in the spoilers, it seems that the > > Great Beast can Call the Great Beast. Use > > Huitziwhateverwithcholocatesprinkles to get the first Great Beast, then > > Have the Great Beast Call the Great Beast. Minion Tap him and cycle him > > through every two turns. It's not a 5th Tradition/Minion Tap, but it is > > half as good and it doesn't require a Camarilla Title. Plus, the Great > > Beast can kick serious booty as needed... The Very Large Beast has to be called by a Baali vampire, and he is clanless... :-( However: > For even more fun you can Possession Huitzithingymabobwhatchamajingo back > into play w/ a handy nec vampire ( even if you just use the Sargon > Fragment ). Why do you need a third vampire? Just chose NEC as one of the Great Beast's disciplines... :-) Flux

halc...@aol.com (Halcyan 2) wrote in message news:<20011205092049...@mb-fo.aol.com>... > Surely there must be some way for a minion to become Infernal though. True > Faith has a special clause just for that. Oh yeah, I saw *something* in Madison, but I don't remember what. Maybe one of those guys can help out. Maybe it was one of the Condemnations? Shoot. Xian

[ quoted text not captured ] It doesn't. :-) Flux

Flux wrote: > Hmmm... question [LSJ]: if you Call the Great Beast with an 11 cap and he Dares the Dawn at inferior > while doing it and burns afterwards, is there time for CtGB's text to kick in? > I'd say yes, since the damage from Daring the Dawn is applied after the action is complete... :-) Sure. [ quoted text not captured ]

"Flux" <fl...@netc.pt> wrote in message news:1104_10...@news.cis.dfn.de... [ quoted text not captured ] It'll still probably work better with Temptation (or Form of Corruption), though, since to Mind Rape a vampire you need to be older than it, and you're looking to grab an 11-cap. :-) And it's Very Bad if you put the Call the Great Beast on and then your prey finishes the Call while controlling the vampire. Josh "You gave him what?? On purpose?!?!"