LSJ: Deep Song, Legacy of Power + Winged Second

So, I control Harrod and Stick. You control Enkidu. Stick plays Deep Song (superior) to enter combat with Enkidu. The action is successful. During the resulting combat, Enkidu is considered the acting minion. Because Enkidu is considered the acting minion, can Harrod play Legacy of Power, sending Stick and Enkidu to torpor? If I instead control Luma, Stone Beauty, and Stick, can Luma play Winged Second to help Stick out? Both LoP and WS are reaction cards that break the normal restriction on being playable in combat. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR. EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

[ quoted text not captured ] But they're reaction cards and thus not playable in your own turn though?

On Nov 30, 8:23 am, Cantila <canti...@hotmail.com> wrote: > On 30 Nov, 14:56, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > > > > > So, I control Harrod and Stick. You control Enkidu. > > > Stick plays Deep Song (superior) to enter combat with Enkidu. The > > action is successful. During the resulting combat, Enkidu is considered > > the acting minion. > > > Because Enkidu is considered the acting minion, can Harrod play Legacy > > of Power, sending Stick and Enkidu to torpor? > > > If I instead control Luma, Stone Beauty, and Stick, can Luma play Winged > > Second to help Stick out? > > > Both LoP and WS are reaction cards that break the normal restriction on > > being playable in combat. > > But they're reaction cards and thus not playable in your own turn > though? That's not the rule, though. Reaction cards are playable if and only if you do not control the acting minion. Still, I suspect that LoP and WS are not playable in this instance, but I can't think of a good reason why not. The only explanation that comes close is that I think Winged Second and Legacy of Power are played "when" the minion is about to enter combat, before the combat actually starts. But perhaps there was a ruling that says that they're actually played *during* the combat? That's what James seems to be presuming, and if so, then the only reason for them not to be playable would be "LSJ says so", if that's indeed what he says... =)

In message <156e1a4b-9672-4550...@k12g2000yqk.googlegroup s.com>, Chris Berger <ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes: >Still, I suspect that LoP and WS are not playable in this instance, >but I can't think of a good reason why not. The only explanation that >comes close is that I think Winged Second and Legacy of Power are >played "when" the minion is about to enter combat, before the combat >actually starts. But perhaps there was a ruling that says that >they're actually played *during* the combat? There was, yes. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/bc11934d7ee6924d [Legacy of Power] cannot be played when combat has not yet started. Text of Legacy of Power: "Only usable when another vampire you control enters combat." Text of Winged Second: "Only usable when another minion you control enters combat..." (i.e. the same timing) [ quoted text not captured ]

In message <57e2b8ba-7ab8-44be...@h20g2000yqn.googlegroup s.com>, Cantila <cant...@hotmail.com> writes: >But they're reaction cards and thus not playable in your own turn >though? No. When an acting minion of another Methuselah is acting during your turn (such as with Madness Network or Enkil Cog), your minions can play reactions. They care about who the acting minion is, not whose turn it is. [ quoted text not captured ]

On 30 Nov, 15:51, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > In message <57e2b8ba-7ab8-44be-a626-f9c41709c...@h20g2000yqn.googlegroup > > s.com>, Cantila <canti...@hotmail.com> writes: > >But they're reaction cards and thus not playable in your own turn > >though? > > No. > > When an acting minion of another Methuselah is acting during your turn > (such as with Madness Network or Enkil Cog), your minions can play > reactions. They care about who the acting minion is, not whose turn it > is. Ah yes good point.

Chris Berger wrote: > On Nov 30, 8:23 am, Cantila <canti...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> On 30 Nov, 14:56, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: >> >> >> >>> So, I control Harrod and Stick. You control Enkidu. >>> Stick plays Deep Song (superior) to enter combat with Enkidu. The >>> action is successful. During the resulting combat, Enkidu is considered >>> the acting minion. >>> Because Enkidu is considered the acting minion, can Harrod play Legacy >>> of Power, sending Stick and Enkidu to torpor? >>> If I instead control Luma, Stone Beauty, and Stick, can Luma play Winged >>> Second to help Stick out? >>> Both LoP and WS are reaction cards that break the normal restriction on >>> being playable in combat. >> But they're reaction cards and thus not playable in your own turn >> though? > > That's not the rule, though. Reaction cards are playable if and only > if you do not control the acting minion. Actually, the rule is: "A ready untapped minion can play a reaction card in response to an action taken by another Methuselah's minion." [1.6.3] and [GLOSSARY] [6.2] places another set of restrictions, sure. So LoP is still not playable, since the action was not taken by another Methuselah's minon. > Still, I suspect that LoP and WS are not playable in this instance, > but I can't think of a good reason why not. The only explanation that > comes close is that I think Winged Second and Legacy of Power are > played "when" the minion is about to enter combat, before the combat > actually starts. But perhaps there was a ruling that says that > they're actually played *during* the combat? That's what James seems > to be presuming, and if so, then the only reason for them not to be > playable would be "LSJ says so", if that's indeed what he says... =) That ruling needs to go, yeah. But it's not hurting anything yet. I'll put it on the list for RT review.