Shadow Court Satyr question

Given the third edition change to Shadow Court Satyr, he can now use combat cards that require a vampire (such as Taste of Vitae). This includes Amaranth. If a Shadow Court Satyr plays Amaranth, is there a blood hunt referendum? Thanks, -witness1

witness1 wrote: > Given the third edition change to Shadow Court Satyr, he can now use > combat cards that require a vampire (such as Taste of Vitae). Yes. > This includes Amaranth. No. [RTR 30-JUN-1997] "13) Only vampires may commit diablerie. Effects that would allow something other than a vampire to commit diablerie are ignored. For example, Amaranth is useless if played on a Shadow Court Satyr. " > If a Shadow Court Satyr plays Amaranth, is there a blood hunt > referendum? Moot.

LSJ wrote: > witness1 wrote: > > Given the third edition change to Shadow Court Satyr, he can now use > > combat cards that require a vampire (such as Taste of Vitae). > > Yes. > > > This includes Amaranth. > > No. [RTR 30-JUN-1997] > > "13) Only vampires may commit diablerie. Effects that would allow something > other than a vampire to commit diablerie are ignored. For example, Amaranth > is useless if played on a Shadow Court Satyr. " > Oh man. I guess a half bottle of wine based decision wasn't going to last forever. Stupid precedents. > > If a Shadow Court Satyr plays Amaranth, is there a blood hunt > > referendum? > > Moot. If it wasn't moot there would be a blood hunt. The rulebook says that a blood hunt is called on the diablerist and continues to refer to them as a diablerist, not a vampire throughout the secton on diablerie. It will continue to be moot until there is a reversal (if ever) to the "only vampires can commit diablerie" ruling, though. Later, ~Rehlow

On Jul 16, 7:07 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > witness1 wrote: > > If a Shadow Court Satyr plays Amaranth, is there a blood hunt > > referendum? > > Moot. Thanks for the answer. Relatedly, if a Satyr uses the effect of a Target Vitals (or other aim card) on him, can it be canceled by discarding combat cards? The card is not being played (not even played "not as normal" as I understand it), so the effect of "cancel this card" is unclear. Target Vitals Type: Combat Aim. Play when choosing a strike. If any damage from this strike is successfully inflicted on the opposing minion, he or she takes an additional 2 damage from this strike, and he or she cannot press this round. The opposing minion may discard two combat cards [COMBAT] to cancel this card. A minion may play only one aim each strike. Shadow Court Satyr (Changeling) Type: Ally Requires: Gangrel antitribu Cost: 3 pool Changeling with 3 life. 1 strength, 1 bleed. When the Satyr enters play, you may put a combat card from your hand on him. Once each combat, the Satyr may use the ability of that card as if played from your hand. If the card requires a vampire (e.g., costs blood or requires a Discipline), he may use it as a vampire with the basic level of the Discipline (if any). Thanks again, Witness1

witness1 wrote: > On Jul 16, 7:07 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >> witness1 wrote: >>> If a Shadow Court Satyr plays Amaranth, is there a blood hunt >>> referendum? >> Moot. > > Thanks for the answer. > > Relatedly, if a Satyr uses the effect of a Target Vitals (or other aim > card) on him, can it be canceled by discarding combat cards? Yes. > The card > is not being played (not even played "not as normal" as I understand > it), Card text: "as if played from your hand". [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] Another such call would be Pack Alpha. Would the Satyr be able to get the ally at the cost of a life?

aaronmiller38 wrote: > Another such call would be Pack Alpha. Would the Satyr be able to get > the ally at the cost of a life? A retainer? yes. Card text. (An ally? no). Moreover, the Satyr could use Pack Alpha to get an animal retainer that itself required Animalism, since he'd be using the Pack Alpha as a vampire with Animalism. Card text.

[ quoted text not captured ] but i thought only the pack alpha would see him as having animalism, not the retainer that requires ani? this all sounds awfully familiar... -- salem (replace 'hotmail' with 'gmail' to email)

[ quoted text not captured ] He can play Pack Alpha as a vampire with animalism would. A vampire with animalism would be able to play Pack Alpha to get an Owl Companion or Raven Spy. -witness1

[ quoted text not captured ] Opps, Yah thats what I meant to say. Didnt have the card on hand when asking the question, but you got what I was asking. Thanks