rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

Ancient Hearts: Elder Impersonation

5 messages from 4 participants · 04 June 1996 – 07 June 1996
original thread on Google Groups

The Corrupter

One of the new cards (very paraphrased): Elder Impersonation - Action Modifier - Obfuscate - 1 blood Inferior: +1 stealth Superior: The current blocking minion is untapped and cannot block this action. ~~~~~~~~ So WHAT if the vampire is untapped! Vampires only tap if they successfully block. Am I missing something? Right now, it seems like a mistake, only really doing anything in conjunction with Faceless night (and not likely a side effect that was wanted) or Wake With Evening's Freshness. Tom, perhaps you can help us out on what this card intended. "I can send and receive e-mail even over the Internet"-aol commercial @#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$ # Adrian Sullivan sull...@cslab.uwlax.edu Spoutingly yours 8^) # $ GAT/CS/O/WS R+++* tv&--- b++(+++)&+ t X++&-- 5->? e+*>++++ PS+&-+ @ # PE&++&- C(+++)$ UX+>+++$ N++(+) K+>++++ w---$>? M++$ r(+) z*+? 3.1# @#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$

Thomas R Wylie

The actual wording of superior Elder Impersonation says "... That minion's blocking attempt fails; untap that minion." So, yes, this will untap a minion that had Woken up or something. Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

Malcolm McCallum

Hopefully, an errata wil soon be out which states "minion does not tap" vice "untap that minion". It is a great and necessary card for getting around people that tap everything out and count on that WWEF. They *should* be punished and this card appears to be the punisher. We don't need to make WWEF stronger now, do we? ;) Anyway, I'm going to strongly recommend to my group that it does not untap WWEF and play it that way regardless. [ quoted text not captured ]

The Corrupter

On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Malcolm McCallum wrote: > Hopefully, an errata wil soon be out which states "minion does not tap" > vice "untap that minion". It is a great and necessary card for getting > around people that tap everything out and count on that WWEF. They > *should* be punished and this card appears to be the punisher. We don't > need to make WWEF stronger now, do we? ;) Anyway, I'm going to strongly > recommend to my group that it does not untap WWEF and play it that way > regardless. Doesn't this strike you as making elder impersonation a little powerful. For only 1 blood, a vampire cannot block the action _after_ it has wasted cards trying to do so. I'm still trying to find middle ground here. The "bite" on Elder Impersonation appears to be that if you attempt to block (which Elder Impersonation automatically fails) you untap. Since you do not tap when failing to block, this cards "bite" only comes out if someone Wakes with Evening Freshness or if you already used Faceless Night. To me, this seems intuitively wrong. Perhaps if minions reacting untapped afterwords (a la inferior Deflection etc), it would have the necessary bite... [ quoted text not captured ]

James Puzzo

Malcolm McCallum (mcca...@tubby.pacificcoast.net) wrote: : Hopefully, an errata wil soon be out which states "minion does not tap" : vice "untap that minion". It is a great and necessary card for getting : around people that tap everything out and count on that WWEF. Well, much of the discussion about this card has been to the effect that if a block fails, a minion does not "tap". In other words, that the card text would do no more than echo the rule. Typically such card text is there to override something... I'm all for an errata to just drop the "tapping" clause altogether... -James