2 Allies Q's

Folks: Memories of Mortality states in part: "Any damage the vampire inflicts on allies is reduced to 0." I presume that this wording can be clarified by the Nephandus clarification which says "Each strike or other damaging effect made against Nephandus by the opposing minion is at -1 damage." So, I would guess that this includes damage from all sorts of combat cards including non-strike cards such as Carrion Crows, etc., or even Catatonic Fear. Does this also include damage from retainers, such as a Murder of Crows? Elysium, the Arboretum (the V:teS version) states in part: "Tap to end a combat involving a vampire you control". However, the subsequent ruling states that "May not be used if you have no minions in the combat", which implies that it could be used if you have an ally in combat. Could I use the Arboretum to end combat between my Political Ally and an opposing minion? Thanks for any insight, Madman Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

In article <8pjnd6$idg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, madma...@my-deja.com wrote: > Folks: > > Memories of Mortality states in part: "Any damage the vampire inflicts > on allies is reduced to 0." I presume that this wording can be > clarified by the Nephandus clarification which says "Each strike or > other damaging effect made against Nephandus by the opposing minion is > at -1 damage." So, I would guess that this includes damage from all > sorts of combat cards including non-strike cards such as Carrion > Crows, etc., or even Catatonic Fear. No, it doesn't. Environmental damage (carrion crows, weather control, retainers) will still damage allies in combat with a vampire who has had MoM played on them. Even though the environmental damage card is played by the vampire, the damage is not considered to be coming from them. See the associated clarifications for Pulled Fangs and Disarm. "Counts up damage successfully inflicted during the round by the minions (retainers, etc. don't count). [TOM 19950304]" "Damage is only considered to have come from a minion if the damage is from a strike or if an effect specifically states that the damage is dealt by the minion. Damage from other effects is considered "environmental," and has no particular source. [RTR 19970630]" Catatonic Fears damage is done by the vampire, and will be negated by the MoM. See: "The damage from Catatonic Fear is dealt by the striking vampire (so would be reduced to zero by Memories of Mortality). [LSJ 19990723]" > Does this also include damage from retainers, such as a Murder of > Crows? No. Memories of Mortality will not affect retainers in any way. > Elysium, the Arboretum (the V:teS version) states in part: "Tap to end > a combat involving a vampire you control". However, the subsequent > ruling states that "May not be used if you have no minions in the > combat", which implies that it could be used if you have an ally in > combat. Could I use the Arboretum to end combat between my Political > Ally and an opposing minion? No. You must control one of the vampires (and it must be a vampire) to tap the Elysium before range is determined to end combat. The opposing minion may be an ally, but the Elysium's controller's minion must be a vampire. The point of the ruling you quote is that you may not end someone else's combat. You have to be involved with the combat, and the rest of the cards text has to be met, for you to be able to use it at all. Carpe noctem. Lasombra http://members.tripod.com/~Lasombra [ quoted text not captured ]

The Lasombra <TheLa...@hotmail.com> wrote: > madma...@my-deja.com wrote: > > Memories of Mortality states: "Any damage the vampire inflicts > > on allies is reduced to 0." I presume that this wording can be > > clarified by the Nephandus clarification which says "Each strike or > > other damaging effect made against Nephandus by the opposing minion > > is at -1 damage." So, I would guess that this includes damage > > from all sorts of combat cards including non-strike cards such as > > Carrion Crows, etc., or even Catatonic Fear. > > No, it doesn't. Environmental damage (carrion crows, weather control, > retainers) will still damage allies in combat with a vampire who has > had MoM played on them. Even though the environmental damage card is > played by the vampire, the damage is not considered to be coming from > them. Right. Which applies to the Nephandus clarification as well. "Each strike or other damaging effect made by the opposing minion" doesn't include retainer damage, carrion crows, weather control, etc. > > Elysium, the Arboretum (the V:teS version) states: "Tap to end > > a combat involving a vampire you control". However, the subsequent > > ruling states that "May not be used if you have no minions in the > > combat", which implies that it could be used if you have an ally in > > combat. Could I use the Arboretum to end combat between my > > Political Ally and an opposing minion? > > No. > You must control one of the vampires (and it must be a vampire) > to tap the Elysium before range is determined to end combat. Correct. The "subsequent ruling" isn't a ruling - it's just a statement of the the V:TES card text (compared to the Jyhad card text) - note the citation: "VTES" (which means that the source for that "ruling" is just the V:TES card text). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]