Q: glaser rounds

Jyhad wording of glaser rounds: Adds 2 to a gun's damage for the remainder of combat. Only usable as damage is being resolved. Not usable the first time the gun is used in a combat. This is an ammo card. No more than one ammo card can be used on a gun per combat. V:tES wording of glaser rounds: Only usable when damage from a gun is being resolved. Minion inflicts +2 damage each strike for the remainder of this combat. Not usable for the first strike in this combat. This is an ammo card. No more than one ammo card can be used on a gun card per combat. From the Jyhad wording, I had always assumed that you had to make a strike with the gun, not using glaser rounds, before you could use glaser rounds on a later strike. From the V:tES wording, it seems like you could make any strike first (e.g. I dodge, then get an additional strike and shoot you using glaser rounds). Of course, I don't want to trust the wording of the V:tES version too much, as taken literally it would allow you to strike with anything at +2 damage for the rest of combat, not just the gun. So which way does it work? -Dave Gausebeck

Can vampires in torpor have master cards played on them (discipline cards, blood doll, legendary vampire, etc...)? Can you attack them a (D) action with Bum's rush and that one nosferatu's ability? If so what happens, Diablerie? -BlakJak

Question for all of you. When I first started playing I thought I heard of some optional rules for methusalah archetypes but have heard nothing of them since. Does anyone out there know what I'm talking about and if so email me. Thanks in advance. -BlakJak

[ quoted text not captured ] The Jyhad way. The card text change was an attempt to clear up the misconception that Glaser rounds could be used on the first strike of a given combat if the gun had been used in a prior combat. -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | Freedom means choosing http://www.math.sc.edu/cgi-bin/sjohnson/home | your burden. Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. | -- Hephzibah Menuhin

[ quoted text not captured ] Yes. No. Moot. Vampires in torpor are legal targets for anything that targets vampire or minions in general (Masters, (D) actions, etc.). UNLESS the card states that it targets "ready" minions or "ready" vampires. However, vampires in torpor cannot enter combat by any means. If an effect (like Bum's Rush) would cause combat with a torpored vampire, then combat simply doesn't occur. [ quoted text not captured ]

msmit...@aol.com wrote in article <19970120033...@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > Can vampires in torpor have master cards played on them (discipline cards, > blood doll, legendary vampire, etc...)? Can you attack them a (D) action > with Bum's rush and that one nosferatu's ability? If so what happens, > Diablerie? For masters it depends entirely on what the master cards says. If it says "play on a controled vampire", or "play on any vampire" you could play it on a vamp in torpor. If is says "play on a _ready_ vampire" you could not play it, as vampires in torpor are not ready. You can not attack a vampire in torpor. There is never combat in torpor. You can just diablerize them. Steve Bucy I'd be better off undead... "Hmmm. I notice the number of conditional phrases in there... _seems_ to indicate a weakness, _may_ be vulnerable in theory." - G'Kar

seems to me the wording "only usable when damage from a gun...." precludes its use in any other resolution. Doncha think? anyhow, glaser rounds would do pitiful little if just tossed in handfuls at your opponent: shooting 'em out of guns is SO much more effective.... Good call on noting the wording in the Jyhad vers. I always played in the 'right' way; nobody ever called us on the _written_ approach. -j