"Requires Prince or Justicar"

Can Inner Circle members use cards that say "Requires [a ready] Prince or Justicar"? Since they weren't around when these original cards were printed, can it be assumed that 'Prince or Justicar' means 'Vampire with Camarilla Title at least at the Prince level'?

In article <EYAb6.12779$t3.28...@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, [ quoted text not captured ] No, by card text. LSJ has confirmed this many times, for example: > Unfortunately, no. [...] Inner Circle members CAN NOT use > Prince/Justicar only cards. Correct. -- LSJ (vte...@wizards.com) V:TES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/rules.asp Source: http://x61.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=587920288&CONTEXT=980345996.11784 02 856&hitnum=0 Regards Skaffen Chantry Elder Of Munich "Han la hodet in til hennes bryst - han horte hennes hjerteslag - folte blodets gang i hennes are - og han kjendte to braendende laeber mot sin nakke - det gav ham en frysning gennem legemet - en frysende vellyst sa han krampakti trykket hende til sig" (E. Munch, "Vampyr") Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

Jozxyqk <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote: > Can Inner Circle members use cards that say > "Requires [a ready] Prince or Justicar"? No. IC are neither Princes nor Justicars. > Since they weren't around when these original > cards were printed, can it be assumed that > 'Prince or Justicar' means 'Vampire with > Camarilla Title at least at the Prince level'? No. But see the erratum for Blood Hunt (the action card). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]

"Jozxyqk" <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:EYAb6.12779$t3.28...@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... > Can Inner Circle members use cards that say > "Requires [a ready] Prince or Justicar"? No, they can't. The cards require exactly what they say - a Prince or Justicar. > Since they weren't around when these original > cards were printed, can it be assumed that > 'Prince or Justicar' means 'Vampire with > Camarilla Title at least at the Prince level'? This justification has been brought up before, and has some merit IMHO, but since there has never been any errata to that effect, it still does not work that way. -- Hardy Range hardy...@gmx.de

On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:17:32 +0100, "Hardy Range" <hardy...@gmx.de> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] The average IC member has disciplines spilling out his wazoo, as WELL as his +2 bleed and 4 votes. He does NOT need extra help. If you give the IC the ability to 5th Tradition, you tip the balance *way* in favor of the Camarilla and the Traditions, which are already overpowered. As it stands right now, the IC members are incredibly powerful, but incredibly expensive. Can you imagine if they could Minion Tap/5th themselves? -- Derek "Oh, cool... TABLE ACTIONS!" -- M. Perlman

>The average IC member has disciplines spilling out his wazoo, as WELL >as his +2 bleed and 4 votes. He does NOT need extra help. > >If you give the IC the ability to 5th Tradition, you tip the balance >*way* in favor of the Camarilla and the Traditions, which are already >overpowered. As it stands right now, the IC members are incredibly >powerful, but incredibly expensive. Can you imagine if they could >Minion Tap/5th themselves? And if you REALLY want to use the Traditions, you can just add some Praxis Seizures: "Arika's sort of getting sick of all this IC b.s., so she's going to call a Praxis Seizure to make herself the Prince of Chicago." Even if the 4 votes you get from having an IC don't help get the vote passed (and don't forget the 1 from the vote card), I honestly doubt most people would vote against something that would cause you to lose 2 votes. Halcyan 2

On 25 Jan 2001 08:11:03 GMT, halc...@aol.com (Halcyan 2) wrote: >>The average IC member has disciplines spilling out his wazoo, as WELL >>as his +2 bleed and 4 votes. He does NOT need extra help. >> >>If you give the IC the ability to 5th Tradition, you tip the balance >>*way* in favor of the Camarilla and the Traditions, which are already >>overpowered. As it stands right now, the IC members are incredibly >>powerful, but incredibly expensive. Can you imagine if they could >>Minion Tap/5th themselves? > >And if you REALLY want to use the Traditions, you can just add some Praxis >Seizures: Well, that's fine, actually; now you're depending on drawing a card, not being blocked, and getting the vote passed. =) From experience, ANYTHING which requires one to go through that many hoops early on in a game is far from overpowered. =) >"Arika's sort of getting sick of all this IC b.s., so she's going to call a >Praxis Seizure to make herself the Prince of Chicago." > >Even if the 4 votes you get from having an IC don't help get the vote passed >(and don't forget the 1 from the vote card), I honestly doubt most people would >vote against something that would cause you to lose 2 votes. I would, almost 100% of the time; the only reason to Praxis yourself as an IC is to use the Traditions, and I can't see ANY way that an IC using those is good for me. =) Hell, I'd Eagle's Sight that action if I had it in hand and nobody else was going to. [ quoted text not captured ]