Some recent threads have reminded me of an important principle of my
deck-design which rather shocked Nikki Sehmi when i explained it to
him at UK Gencon. i refer to the non-inclusion of cards which i am too
stupid to use. Foremost amongst these are Temptation, because i ALWAYS
forget to put the counters on when it is time to do so; and Direct
Intervention which kills me about as often as it saves me. My Master
Phase Bleed for 7 [on yourself] use of Millicent Smith has passed into
UK legend, but Form of Mist i think i just about understand still.
Mind Rape has always been too clever for me, and embarassingly so is
Renegade Garou [forgot to use his manouever in Uk Gencon]. Is anybody
else prepared to admit to being too DUMB to play with any particular
card? Maybe we could form a Vampire: The Eternal Simpleton society and
swap tips about those excruciatingly embarassing Doh! moments when you
realise that there are no independent vampires in your Free States
rant deck, or that Talbot's Chainsaw isn't a melee weapon and can hurt
the Werewolf Pack just fine.
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Hi James. Hey I am not alone!
I have included Parity Shift or Protect Thine Own in Sabbat Vote decks. I
almost never play the pool gaining Powerbases as I simply forget about them.
I
recently played a Ex Nihilo Rush deck and didn't read the card right. And I
know that Millicent feeling all too well.
Tim
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Happens to us all, I guess. But the better part is the aftergame whipping !
Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa !! ;-)
About that Mind Rape : do you still find it interesting after the Sabbat War
modifications ? It was ENORMOUS in Sabbat, but now...?
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In message <9oa6g2$pe3$1...@wanadoo.fr>, Orpheus <orph...@wanadoo.fr>
writes
>About that Mind Rape : do you still find it interesting after the Sabbat War
>modifications ? It was ENORMOUS in Sabbat, but now...?
Yup. See Lasombra's Clan Impersonation/Judgement trick, for instance.
Rave can also make temporary control cards more useful, nowadays.
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>===== Original Message From James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> =====>In message <9oa6g2$pe3$1...@wanadoo.fr>, Orpheus <orph...@wanadoo.fr>
>writes>>About that Mind Rape : do you still find it interesting after the Sabbat War
>>modifications ? It was ENORMOUS in Sabbat, but now...?>
>Yup. See Lasombra's Clan Impersonation/Judgement trick, for instance.
>
>Rave can also make temporary control cards more useful, nowadays.
>
I have said it before and i'll say it again...Mind rape, Rave/heidelberg,
Banishment or if it's a sabat vampire: Sunrise Service-Graverobbing.
Though watered down a bit, Mind rape still is a very scary card especially
with cards like blood of the sabbat etc. You just need to build the deck and
*make* it work.
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On 19 Sep 2001 04:47:58 -0700, legb...@my-deja.com (legbiter) wrote:
>card? Maybe we could form a Vampire: The Eternal Simpleton society and
>swap tips about those excruciatingly embarassing Doh! moments when you
>realise that there are no independent vampires in your Free States
>rant deck, or that Talbot's Chainsaw isn't a melee weapon and can hurt
>the Werewolf Pack just fine.
I successfully attempted to play Direct Intervention on my own turn
THREE separate times in one round of a tournament.
Brain damage... nothing more than brain damage. I shall make excuses
and say that I had no sleep the night before and had just got up and
driven a long way. Which was true. But. =)
How about those moments when you draw up a card from your deck, look at
it, and say out loud "why the hell is this card in here?" ...And you
KNOW it hasn't just slipped in from another deck.
--
Derek
AGITATOR, n. A statesman who shakes the fruit trees of
his neighbors -- to dislodge the worms.
"Derek Ray" <lor...@yah00.com> wrote in message
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> On 19 Sep 2001 04:47:58 -0700, legb...@my-deja.com (legbiter) wrote:
>
<...>
> How about those moments when you draw up a card from your deck, look at
> it, and say out loud "why the hell is this card in here?" ...And you
> KNOW it hasn't just slipped in from another deck.
>
At the first tourney I played, I had 2 decks with me. I didn't know wich
one to play, so I let some random
method decide.
At the first table, it turns out the dice had chosen the Ventrue Crypt and
the Brujah library. Luckily, the other players at the table didn't mind me
switching.
Jeroen
I fairly regularly forget about the maneuvers on Bum's Rush but my
stupidity usually involves forgetting to play cards (usually masters).
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Tim Eijpe <tim....@MailAndNews.com> wrote in message news:<3BB7...@MailAndNews.com>...
> >===== Original Message From legb...@my-deja.com (legbiter) =====
> >Some recent threads have reminded me of an important principle of my
> >deck-design which rather shocked Nikki Sehmi when i explained it to
> >him at UK Gencon. i refer to the non-inclusion of cards which i am too
> >stupid to use. Foremost amongst these are Temptation, because i ALWAYS
> >forget to put the counters on when it is time to do so; and Direct
> >Intervention which kills me about as often as it saves me. My Master
> >Phase Bleed for 7 [on yourself] use of Millicent Smith has passed into
> >UK legend, but Form of Mist i think i just about understand still.
> >Mind Rape has always been too clever for me, and embarassingly so is
> >Renegade Garou [forgot to use his manouever in Uk Gencon]. Is anybody
> >else prepared to admit to being too DUMB to play with any particular
> >card? Maybe we could form a Vampire: The Eternal Simpleton society and
> >swap tips about those excruciatingly embarassing Doh! moments when you
> >realise that there are no independent vampires in your Free States
> >rant deck, or that Talbot's Chainsaw isn't a melee weapon and can hurt
> >the Werewolf Pack just fine.
I had a wonderful time last Sunday when I played a skill card on a 5
cap with a deer rifle and a flamethrower before I was going to Atone
with him. Never have a cursed my sorry brainpan so much in my life.
Aramis
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> Is anybody
> else prepared to admit to being too DUMB to play with any particular
> card?
I think one of the more classic Doh! moments is when you have a Parity shift
and some Governs or Legal Manips in your hand and you forget to play the
Parity shift first cause you're so excited to bleed your prey for 3 twice!
:-) And you get that look from your prey that says "You have 9 pool, I now
have 5 pool, do the math asshole."
Peteo
"legbiter" <legb...@my-deja.com> a écrit dans le message news:
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> Is anybody else prepared to admit to being too
> DUMB to play with any particular card?
Brujah should stop playing with Volker.
A scene i saw last week :
Masika (full) try to equip with a Sniper Rifle. Okay, 2nd tradition by
Volker (the only prince on the brujah side). I block you. Before range, Torn
signpost. No maneuver. Immortal Grapple. Pushing the limit. Blur. Pushing
the limit. Pushing the limit. Taste of vitae.
Now acting meth looks at his torpored Masika, discards a card and let Volker
Meth play.
I jump on and say. "Okay ! what happened there ?" Everybody answers "volker
intercept masika's sniper rifle equip action and send him to torpor".
" no my friend you should'nt have blocked him !" "why ? you want my predator
controlling Sniping Masika ? " "read the text on volker !!" "what text ?
yeah so waht ?" "now read the text on Masika".
reyda
>Brujah should stop playing with Volker.
>A scene i saw last week :
>Masika (full) try to equip with a Sniper Rifle. Okay, 2nd tradition by
>Volker (the only prince on the brujah side). I block you. Before range, Torn
>signpost. No maneuver. Immortal Grapple. Pushing the limit. Blur. Pushing
>the limit. Pushing the limit. Taste of vitae.
>Now acting meth looks at his torpored Masika, discards a card and let Volker
>Meth play.
>I jump on and say. "Okay ! what happened there ?" Everybody answers "volker
>intercept masika's sniper rifle equip action and send him to torpor".
>" no my friend you should'nt have blocked him !" "why ? you want my predator
>controlling Sniping Masika ? " "read the text on volker !!" "what text ?
>yeah so waht ?" "now read the text on Masika".
LOL. Yeah, some of those specials occur so rarely that you forget about them!
Uh...what happens if that event happens in a tournament? Is there any recourse
to illegal scenarios? And whose fault is it?
Halcyan 2
James Lewis wrote:
>
> I fairly regularly forget about the maneuvers on Bum's Rush but my
> stupidity usually involves forgetting to play cards (usually masters).
>
On Tuesday I managed this with a half of my hand full of Master cards,
twice
in a row, in two consectutive games, particularly cursing my stupity as
my
deck was supposed to have all my vamps with SER & PRE.
Andy
Setite Ruler of Cambridge
> legbiter wrote:
>
> > Some recent threads have reminded me of an important principle of my
> > deck-design which rather shocked Nikki Sehmi when i explained it to
> > him at UK Gencon. i refer to the non-inclusion of cards which i am too
> > stupid to use. Foremost amongst these are Temptation, because i ALWAYS
> > forget to put the counters on when it is time to do so; and Direct
> > Intervention which kills me about as often as it saves me. My Master
> > Phase Bleed for 7 [on yourself] use of Millicent Smith has passed into
> > UK legend, but Form of Mist i think i just about understand still.
> > Mind Rape has always been too clever for me, and embarassingly so is
> > Renegade Garou [forgot to use his manouever in Uk Gencon]. Is anybody
> > else prepared to admit to being too DUMB to play with any particular
> > card? Maybe we could form a Vampire: The Eternal Simpleton society and
> > swap tips about those excruciatingly embarassing Doh! moments when you
> > realise that there are no independent vampires in your Free States
> > rant deck, or that Talbot's Chainsaw isn't a melee weapon and can hurt
> > the Werewolf Pack just fine.
--
Whether it is nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of
outragous fortune, or get fat on chocolate cake, eat the cake, life
is too short to worry!
Halcyan 2 wrote:
> Uh...what happens if that event happens in a tournament? Is there any recourse
> to illegal scenarios? And whose fault is it?
See VEKN Penalty Guidelines.
114. Procedural Error - Misrepresentation
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Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules:
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/
it was me and mochud :;)
the worst is that it was masika who sent Volker in torpor !!
you know, that was during the game after the turnament, when everybody is tired :;)
how to do well in a tournament ? Sleep 12 hours long the night before!
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> Tim Eijpe <tim....@MailAndNews.com> wrote> > >i refer to the non-inclusion of cards which i am too
> > >stupid to use. Foremost amongst these are Temptation, because i ALWAYS
Ones with actual counters aren't as hard for me to remember...
> > >forget to put the counters on when it is time to do so; and Direct
> > >Intervention which kills me about as often as it saves me.
Amen.
Too stupid to use? (and doubt i'm alone on this one) what a great
special tiberius has... when you actually remember to use it.
Hunting grounds happen when? collect for the edge?
Sorry, i was just so excited that it's finally my turn...
-sporeboy
Have done a similar thing myself although in my case I minion tapped,
then called a Parity Shift before realising that no-one had more pool
than me. Think this is generally symptomatic of a fault in my play. I
tend to do one thing before thinking how its going to effect what elese
I'm planning to do on my turn. I really need to remind myself to stop
and think before actually doing things (see my previous comment about
forgetting to play master cards).
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Think the Bum's Rush thing is more a case of me putting cards in to do one thing (e.g. Bum's Rush
to get me into combat) and forgetting that cards also have other things on them (e.g. Bum's Rush has
a maneuver). I really ought to actually read cards before I play them. I'm fortunately not the only
one afflicted by this. I remember pointing out to Barney on one occasion that Legacy of Power puts
BOTH Vampires into torpor. Not that he didn't still go on to win the game
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2 other examples... i don't remember when they happened though.
"okay, now for the big combo ! Monçada attempts an eternal vigilance !! Any
blocker ?" "hell, no" "Okay, i spend one blood... Now Monçada can attempt to
untap and block everything ! be prepared !! "....sure..."
-
"Okay, because my Thetmes played IG, you can now only play hand strikes. My
strike is Khabar the honor, for 4 damage." "it's a hand strike ?" "sure !!".
Okay so i take 4 damage ? " "of course they are aggravated" "what ?? but why
? " "because it's written on Thetmes' text."
reyda
Reyda wrote:
> "Okay, because my Thetmes played IG, you can now only play hand strikes. My
> strike is Khabar the honor, for 4 damage." "it's a hand strike ?" "sure !!".
> Okay so i take 4 damage ? " "of course they are aggravated" "what ?? but why
> ? " "because it's written on Thetmes' text."
Unlike the theme of this thread, this combo is legal and works.
Thetmes can play IG followed by K:H, and the damage done (by the K:H hand strike)
is aggravated.
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> Reyda wrote:
> > "Okay, because my Thetmes played IG, you can now only play hand strikes.
My
> > strike is Khabar the honor, for 4 damage." "it's a hand strike ?" "sure
!!".
> > Okay so i take 4 damage ? " "of course they are aggravated" "what ?? but
why
> > ? " "because it's written on Thetmes' text."
>
> Unlike the theme of this thread, this combo is legal and works.
of course it works =)
> Thetmes can play IG followed by K:H, and the damage done (by the K:H hand
strike)
> is aggravated.
Yes. I was just pointing out the fact that some people don't read the text
on the vampires.
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<snip>
>
> Yes. I was just pointing out the fact that some people don't read the text
> on the vampires.
>
Hehehe ... i got my first VP in the sealed-deck at paris in part
because the Full Significance of Parmenides' disadvantage had not been
appreciated, not to say read, by his owner. And it happened again in
round 3, when i tapped marciana so that my Setite grand-prey could use
Gastarbeiter Parmenides to intercept Constantin's attempt to equip a
Starshell Grenade launcher. But i take some pride in being possibly
the very first idiot to not read Parmenides properly, since in the UK
pre-release i influenced him out when my predator had the Khobar
Towers: Al Khubar in play. Here, Mr Predator! Have 4 fine, fat pool on
me! Effectively an influence-phase bleed of 8 on myself, when you
think about it.
"legbiter" <legb...@my-deja.com> a écrit dans le message news:
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> i tapped marciana so that my Setite grand-prey could use
> Gastarbeiter Parmenides to intercept Constantin's attempt to equip a
> Starshell Grenade launcher.
Nice move ! That would have been nasty : Constantin + guard dogs / fata
thing that grants a maneuver = Torpor guaranteed for any vampire in a sealed
deck where dodge and prevetn is scarce (even amongst Ravnos and Assamites)
> But i take some pride in being possibly
> the very first idiot to not read Parmenides properly, since in the UK
> pre-release i influenced him out when my predator had the Khobar
> Towers: Al Khubar in play. Here, Mr Predator! Have 4 fine, fat pool on
> me! Effectively an influence-phase bleed of 8 on myself, when you
> think about it.
Yes, that hurts. Another cool thing that happened : Parmenides was
influenced out to a Ventrue predator who sold it on auction (hostile
takover). The Assamite was stuck enough to buy him for 4 more pool ! Keeping
Parmenides for an 8 pool total and giving in the process 4 pool to his
predator...
And guess who was this assamite : Arnaud Clavel again =)
reyda