For Carnes! QUESTION

About Illusion of the Kindred. Can i take the blood from a vampire from an Ilusion of the Kindred with a Heidelburg Castle? Can i play a taste of vitae against this vampire?

[ quoted text not captured ] You know, maybe H-Castle needs to have its errata (or is it a ruling?) expanded to disallow its use during any action and not just preventing the use during combat. It would certainly make things simpler. Without the added restriction people are gonna attempt all manner of questionable acts. Using HC in mid-bleed with Spirodonas is another example. Robert ...................................................................... :The opinions expressed here are strictly my own delusional ramblings: :and do not reflect the opinions of The Walt Disney Company. : : : :Robert Goudie robert...@studio.disney.com: :....................................................................: :cigars * v:tes * car rallies * scotch * sega rally champion * spoon : :....................................................................:

13...@quebectel.com (Patrick Drapeau) writes: >About Illusion of the Kindred. Can i take the blood from a vampire from an >Ilusion of the Kindred with a Heidelburg Castle? Can i play a taste of >vitae against this vampire? I'm not Shawn, but he'll pipe in if I ever spread falsehoods ;-) Heidelburg cannot be used to move anything to or from a minion engaged in combat, so "No" to the first part. You may play Taste if you deal damage to the Illusionary vampire (since there is no card text describing how incomplete the illusion is - see the rulings on contesting a Horrid-Reality-based weapon). You could also steal the illusion's blood with Theft of Vitae or Serpent's Toungue, for example. If the illusion played Disguised Weapon (or Concealed, for that matter), you could steal (and keep) the weapon with Fast Hands, etc. The illusion is treated exactly as any other controlled vampire (except that he is burned at the end of combat). -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | Bad Track 0. http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson | Why can't you be more Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. | like Track 1?

Robert Goudie wrote: > You know, maybe H-Castle needs to have its errata (or is it a ruling?) > expanded to disallow its use during any action and not just preventing > the use during combat. It would certainly make things simpler. Without > the added restriction people are gonna attempt all manner of > questionable acts. Using HC in mid-bleed with Spirodonas is another > example. I thought it was errata already, but perhaps it was a ruling... what do the archives say, LSJ? Until then, treat it like a runing based on the card itself, and not for other cards that may share its ability (blanket statement--I don't think there are any). (What are you all staring at me for? What do I look like--a NetRep or something?) ;) -- >>> Shawn F. Carnes Game Designer and Developer, Wizards of the Coast, Inc WotC NetRep for rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad ************************************************************* "Which one of you claims to be the craziest? Which one the biggest loony? Who runs these card games? Who's the bull goose loony here?" --McMurphy, "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest"

> The illusion is treated exactly as any other controlled vampire (except that > he is burned at the end of combat). Most people have a problem accepting that "illusions" are "real". Just as the chimerical vampire can "damage" you because you believe it so, so can you benifit from stealing blood or guns from him. On some level, all illusions are real. They're as real as anything else you can experience. Advice: have a philisophical discussion with a Changling or Ravnos about the nature of reality some time. :) Mr. Pynk --- http://www.wulaw.wustl.edu/~tvbarnha/mr_pynk/

Robert Goudie <robert...@studio.disney.com> writes: >questionable acts. Using HC in mid-bleed with Spirodonas is another >example. That won't work because Spiro has explicit restriction against using his ability more than once per turn (so could only use it before or after HC, not both). -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | > Be careful who you correct. http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson | That should read "Be careful whom Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. | you correct." -- Steffan O'Sullivan

In article <13ljd-27089...@ts1-11.f020.quebectel.com> <3224D1...@studio.disney.com> <322741...@castle.wizards.com>, "Shawn F. Carnes" <sw...@castle.wizards.com> wrote: > > Robert Goudie wrote: > > You know, maybe H-Castle needs to have its errata (or is it a ruling?) > > expanded to disallow its use during any action and not just preventing > > the use during combat. It would certainly make things simpler. Without > > the added restriction people are gonna attempt all manner of > > questionable acts. Using HC in mid-bleed with Spirodonas is another > > example. > I thought it was errata already, but perhaps it was a ruling... what do > the archives say, LSJ? It has errata stating that it cannot be used to make transfers to or from a minion in combat. The original poster is requesting that this restriction be expanded so that it cannot be tapped during any action (but only between actions and before or after the minion phase). I personally consider this good errata, even though it isn't necessary in Spir's case, since he can only burn blood once per turn, and therefore couldn't burn blood both before and after tapping HC (as per your perfectly correct ruling below). > Until then, treat it like a runing based on the card itself, and not for > other cards that may share its ability (blanket statement--I don't think > there are any). --- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | Warning: Dates in Calendar are http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson | closer than they appear. Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This article was posted to Usenet via the Posting Service at Deja News: http://www.dejanews.com/ [Search, Post, and Read Usenet News!]