Immortal Grapple Q

Immortal Grapple means that no one can use Dodges? Only Hand Strikes or things which say +1 Hand strike or the like?

3cj...@qlink.queensu.ca (Murphy Christopher J) writes: >Immortal Grapple means that no one can use Dodges? Only Hand Strikes or >things which say +1 Hand strike or the like? No, only hand strikes; Strike: use +1 ahnd or melee damage is not allowable, but if you first play a torn signpost, then you can strike with the torn signpost because is gives the vampire 2 or 3 "hand damage.

In article <3lkhs9$l...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> gsf5...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Faulkner) writes: >3cj...@qlink.queensu.ca (Murphy Christopher J) writes: >>Immortal Grapple means that no one can use Dodges? Only Hand Strikes or >>things which say +1 Hand strike or the like? >No, only hand strikes; Strike: use +1 hand or melee damage is not allowable, >but if you first play a torn signpost, then you can strike with the torn >signpost because is gives the vampire 2 or 3 "hand damage. I think Strike: use hand at +n (Lucky Blow, Undead Strength, Growing Fury) are allowable, but melee weapons are not useable. -- "Live Life with Heart." Alan Kwan kw...@cs.cornell.edu

3cj...@qlink.queensu.ca (Murphy Christopher J) writes: >Immortal Grapple means that no one can use Dodges? Only Hand Strikes or >things which say +1 Hand strike or the like? Yes. Only hand strikes. Cards which modify the damage done by a hand strike are allowable.

gsf5...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Faulkner) writes: >3cj...@qlink.queensu.ca (Murphy Christopher J) writes: >>Immortal Grapple means that no one can use Dodges? Only Hand Strikes or >>things which say +1 Hand strike or the like? >No, only hand strikes; Strike: use +1 ahnd or melee damage is not allowable, >but if you first play a torn signpost, then you can strike with the torn >signpost because is gives the vampire 2 or 3 "hand damage. Strike cards are allowed, as long as they are hand strikes. For example: Lucky Blow is a hand strike, and may be used (as a hand strike). It may not be used as a strike to increase the damage done by a melee weapon, of course. L. Scott

G...@hceltd.demon.co.uk (Guy Keen) writes: >This issue does raise another question, (Alan, maybe you have some >idea here): Can strike: dodge and strike: end combat cards be used in a combat >after an Immortal Grapple has been played? At the moment, I tend to think not. Definitely not. They're certainly not hand strikes. Curt Adams (curt...@aol.com)

> Immortal Grapple means that no one can use Dodges? Only Hand Strikes or > things which say +1 Hand strike or the like? Yup. Also no gun strikes, weapon strikes, Thaumaturgy strikes, Canine Horde strikes, etc. Also - no Strike:Combat Ends! papillo the converted

> >Immortal Grapple means that no one can use Dodges? Only Hand Strikes or > >things which say +1 Hand strike or the like? > > > No, only hand strikes; Strike: use +1 ahnd or melee damage is not allowable, > but if you first play a torn signpost, then you can strike with the torn > signpost because is gives the vampire 2 or 3 "hand damage. Sorry - I have to agree with Alan Kwan's thread on this issue. The card text says: "Only hand strikes can be made against or by the vampire using IG." So, no range weapons, no melee weapons, just hand strikes. I don't think that prevents you from playing other cards to modify the hand strike (i.e. + damage or agg. damage), and there is nothing else in the card text to suggest otherwise. This issue does raise another question, (Alan, maybe you have some idea here): Can strike: dodge and strike: end combat cards be used in a combat after an Immortal Grapple has been played? At the moment, I tend to think not. ***Guy***

Dodge and End Combat are not hand strikes, so such cards may not be played by a minion restricted to using hand strikes. Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.