I bought my last Derange from Sorrow for 7.50$.
The previuos one for over 30$.
Do you think that the decision to reprint the card has reduced its value so
much?
It still will be a rare (1 x box if you're lucky), and in my opinion is more
powerful than before (you can mix Malk and !Malk to cancel all the vote on
the table!).
Opinion?
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Camarilla edition is a 385 cards expansion, with 80 rares. So the odds are 1
rare per 3 boxes, i guess. What you will have at a rate of one copy of each
per box will be uncommons.
In message <RTu19.17213$n04.5...@twister2.libero.it>, Cartman
<federi...@libero.it> writes:
>Do you think that the decision to reprint the card has reduced its value so
>much?
Does it matter?
People who collect the cards to invest in some roller-coaster stock-
market are missing the point. Any and all cards can be reprinted at the
drop of a hat.
--
James Coupe
PGP 0x5D623D5D you say one or two amusing things, but so
EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 did Herman Goering (does that sidestep Godwin?)
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On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:14:23 +0100, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk>
wrote:
>In message <RTu19.17213$n04.5...@twister2.libero.it>, Cartman
><federi...@libero.it> writes:>>Do you think that the decision to reprint the card has reduced its value so
>>much?>
>Does it matter?
>
>People who collect the cards to invest in some roller-coaster stock-
>market are missing the point. Any and all cards can be reprinted at the
>drop of a hat.
And rarity schemes aren't fixed either... Would have loved all those
rare reprints being common..:)
Cartman schrieb:
>
> I bought my last Derange from Sorrow for 7.50$.
> The previuos one for over 30$.
> Do you think that the decision to reprint the card has reduced its value so
> much?
I think you just got lucky... at least, Disarm seems to have recovered
from being in SW quite well.
Thomas
"Tom, Mad & Co" wrote:
> Camarilla edition is a 385 cards expansion, with 80 rares. So the odds are 1
> rare per 3 boxes, i guess. What you will have at a rate of one copy of each
> per box will be uncommons.
That's 85 rares, actually.
70 R1s and 15 R2s.
--
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In message <ai60mn$8op$1...@nsnmrro2-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net>, "Tom,
Mad & Co" <t...@almadrava.net> writes:
>Camarilla edition is a 385 cards expansion, with 80 rares. So the odds are 1
>rare per 3 boxes, i guess. What you will have at a rate of one copy of each
>per box will be uncommons.
Assuming that there is a Malkavian starter, there is nothing stopping a
copy of the new Derange being in there.
Disclaimer: I have no inside knowledge etc.
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"Thomas Pichler" <tom.p...@aon.at> wrote in message
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Perhaps this is due to the fact that you still can't get a Disarm in a
box...I've bought three boxes of SW boosters and none of them had a disarm.
James Coupe wrote:
>
> In message <RTu19.17213$n04.5...@twister2.libero.it>, Cartman
> <federi...@libero.it> writes:
> >Do you think that the decision to reprint the card has reduced its value so
> >much?
>
> Does it matter?
>
> People who collect the cards to invest in some roller-coaster stock-
> market are missing the point. Any and all cards can be reprinted at the
> drop of a hat.
I don't think he was asking for a moral judgment. I think he was asking if
reprinting justified a price drop from $30 to $7.50. With all due to respect
to Jeff Thompson's observations on the matter, I still think a card being
in print is necessarily going to have an affect on its price, no matter how
useful. To my mind, $30 is _so_ high a price that any substantial new
supply can't help but profoundly affect it. VERY few people are willing
to pay $30 for any Jyhad card. Not that many people are willing to pay $7.50
when it comes right down to it. It's just that on EBAY, it only takes two
bidders to set a price. So it doesn't take much to knock the foundation
out from underneath a card's price.
Fred
Jon Stahler schrieb:
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Same should be true for Derange (presumably, there'll be a 100 card
print sheet for rares like there was for SW, and Derange will be R1 like
Disarm was), unless it happens to be in the Malkavian starter.
Putting it in the starter, on the other hand, would be a perfectly good
way of guaranteeing no new player is ever going to own one of those
because they'll be sold out two days after release, so I rather hope WW
isn't stupid enough to do that.
Thomas
"Thomas Pichler" <tom.p...@aon.at> wrote in message
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[re: Derange]
> Putting it in the starter, on the other hand, would be a perfectly good
> way of guaranteeing no new player is ever going to own one of those
> because they'll be sold out two days after release, so I rather hope WW
> isn't stupid enough to do that.
I don't think that makes a lot of sense.
If you're right that existing VTES players would buy zillions
of CE Malk starter decks to get a Derange from each, White Wolf
could perfectly well keep printing them until they've made
zillions of dollars. Right?
If the Malk starter is the only one that people would want so
many of, that could be a problem with the way their precon-
starter-distribution system is currently arranged, (ie in
boxes of six decks, one for each clan) but that could always
be changed if necessary, I think.
Josh
demented
"Cartman" <federi...@libero.it> wrote in message
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Well in my time selling cards I think a number of factors have may have to
do with this, I think the most obvious one might be why would I want to use
my money to bid against another bidder for a card I might just get in that
shiney new box of CE, especially when the potential cost of that cards would
be a good chunk of a box of boosters or if I am not lucky enough to get it
mabe my buddy who also bought one might.
I always find a dip in the market when a new expansion comes out, people
are holding on to there money to buy boxes etc. I guess, although I have
seen an increase in emails this past week,
Another smaller point might be that people want the new print verison as to
the old one I know for a fact I a big on having all new printed verison
cards but then that just might be me :) Anyone want some vtes 2nd trad's??
and Majesty? :)
"Immortalgrapplecards" <immorta...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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Oops! I forgot to sign off on that last post to busy checking my spelling
whcih was probably still wrong
I aslo for got to mention which Thomas has already pointed out that the
Starter contents are not known yet so that would be a good reason to wait a
cards price has been affected more by being included in a starter than any
other in my experience.
Errol
Joshua Duffin wrote:
>
> "Thomas Pichler" <tom.p...@aon.at> wrote in message
> news:3D46D1BC...@aon.at...
>
> [re: Derange]
>
> > Putting it in the starter, on the other hand, would be a perfectly good
> > way of guaranteeing no new player is ever going to own one of those
> > because they'll be sold out two days after release, so I rather hope WW
> > isn't stupid enough to do that.
>
> I don't think that makes a lot of sense.
>
> If you're right that existing VTES players would buy zillions
> of CE Malk starter decks to get a Derange from each, White Wolf
> could perfectly well keep printing them until they've made
> zillions of dollars. Right?
>
Right. However...
> If the Malk starter is the only one that people would want so
> many of, that could be a problem with the way their precon-
> starter-distribution system is currently arranged, (ie in
> boxes of six decks, one for each clan) but that could always
> be changed if necessary, I think.
>
Could be. Wasn't for the entire first print run though, so if there's
Derange in the Malk starter (or Disarm in the Brujah one, or whatever),
it'll mean that out of every starter display, one deck will go missing
within no time, and while that won't be so bad for a display or two,
beyond that, it'd be a surefire way to tick off retailers.
Thomas
> > >Do you think that the decision to reprint the card has reduced its
value so
> > >much?
> >
> > Does it matter?
> >
> > People who collect the cards to invest in some roller-coaster stock-
> > market are missing the point. Any and all cards can be reprinted at the
> > drop of a hat.
>
> I don't think he was asking for a moral judgment. I think he was asking
if
> reprinting justified a price drop from $30 to $7.50. With all due to
respect
> to Jeff Thompson's observations on the matter, I still think a card being
> in print is necessarily going to have an affect on its price, no matter
how
> useful. To my mind, $30 is _so_ high a price that any substantial new
> supply can't help but profoundly affect it. VERY few people are willing
> to pay $30 for any Jyhad card. Not that many people are willing to pay
$7.50
> when it comes right down to it. It's just that on EBAY, it only takes two
> bidders to set a price. So it doesn't take much to knock the foundation
> out from underneath a card's price.
Thanx, this is the kind of opinion I was asking for.
"Jon Stahler" <sta...@ilir.uiuc.edu> wrote in message news:<AIx19.7540$m7.7...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>...
> Perhaps this is due to the fact that you still can't get a Disarm in a
> box...I've bought three boxes of SW boosters and none of them had a disarm.
Isn't disarm in the !Brujah starter?