Qs

1- I have a vampire with a Soul Gem of Etrius on him. My prey take control of it with a Temptation/Mind Rape until the end of his turn. The vampire burns during the turn that my prey controls it. What happens ? 2- If I take a Recruit Ally action with a Giovanni and the Ally I'm recruiting requires Necromancy, is it considered a Necromancy action for the Tower of London ? 3- Shock Troops. Can I only play the Master Disciplines cards that I have in my hand at the moment I'm playing the ST or can I put a MD in play, then draw another to replace it and play it, etc so if I have 15 in a row in my deck I can put 15 in play ? Do I replace the Shock Troops before putting Master Disciplines in play ? Thanks, Remy

In article <3b30d18b....@news.videotron.ca>, Remy Auclair <ra...@videotron.ca> wrote: >1- I have a vampire with a Soul Gem of Etrius on him. My prey take >control of it with a Temptation/Mind Rape until the end of his turn. >The vampire burns during the turn that my prey controls it. What >happens ? Rulebook section 1.6.3 says, among other things: "By default, a minion card in play is controlled by the controller of the minion it is on. If a minion card is just in play and not on another controlled card, then it is, by default, controlled by the Methuselah who played it." Taking control of the Soul Gemmed vampire gives you control of the Soul Gem itself, so you would invoke the Gem's effect if the vampire burns while you control it, drawing from your crypt and following the directions. >2- If I take a Recruit Ally action with a Giovanni and the Ally I'm >recruiting requires Necromancy, is it considered a Necromancy action >for the Tower of London ? Yes. Shambling Hordes is a (Recruit Ally) 'action which requires Necromancy,' which satisfies Tower of London's text. Ditto with equipment (Baleful Doll) or retainers (Masquer). This also affects Dartmoor, England, which gives +1 stealth on actions requiring Animalism (which covers Raven Spies) or Protean (Homunculus). >3- Shock Troops. Can I only play the Master Disciplines cards that I >have in my hand at the moment I'm playing the ST or can I put a MD in >play, then draw another to replace it and play it, etc so if I have 15 >in a row in my deck I can put 15 in play ? You choose the master: discipline cards affected by Shock Troops from what's in your hand at the time you play Shock Troops (that is, before Shock Troops is replaced). This means the maximum number of Troops you can put into play is (hand size-1), since 1 slot is taken up by Shock Troops itself. The mechanic is just like Disguised Weapon: You must choose a weapon in your hand at the time Disguised Weapon is played -- you can't play it if you have no weapons in hand, and if you draw a weapon to replace the Disguised Weapon, it cannot be chosen. There's a slight difference with Shock Troops, since you can play it with X=0 just to get it out of your hand. >Do I replace the Shock Troops before putting Master >Disciplines in play ? Yes, but if you draw a Master: Discipline, it isn't eligible for Shock Trooping (since you've already chosen the Shock Troop targets by then). gomi -- Yes, I believe but I'd rather not pray What I believe in I'd rather not say, baby

> 2- If I take a Recruit Ally action with a Giovanni and the Ally I'm > recruiting requires Necromancy, is it considered a Necromancy action > for the Tower of London ? And another question on that; the card reads: "When an action requiring Necromancy is successful, tap this location to gain 1 pool." Is that a conditional or an imperative? If I've got the Tower of London out and someone plays Summon Soul across table, do I HAVE to tap the Tower? (Perhaps I'm afraid of a Parity Shift, I dunno). If it IS someone cross table, CAN I tap the Tower? If so, I still get the pool, right? -- Pat Ricochet Soul Jar'rn Fool of Atlanta

Remy Auclair wrote: > > 1- I have a vampire with a Soul Gem of Etrius on him. My prey take > control of it with a Temptation/Mind Rape until the end of his turn. > The vampire burns during the turn that my prey controls it. What > happens ? The vampire burns. The Soul Gem kicks in. Your prey examines the top card of her crypt and moves it to the uncontrolled region or ready region as appropriate. > 2- If I take a Recruit Ally action with a Giovanni and the Ally I'm > recruiting requires Necromancy, is it considered a Necromancy action > for the Tower of London ? If the action requires necromancy, yes. > 3- Shock Troops. Can I only play the Master Disciplines cards that I > have in my hand at the moment I'm playing the ST or can I put a MD in > play, then draw another to replace it and play it, etc so if I have 15 > in a row in my deck I can put 15 in play ? The former. The effects of cards are defined when played. > Do I replace the Shock Troops before putting Master > Disciplines in play ? Possibly, but it doesn't matter either way. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

Pat Ricochet wrote: > > > 2- If I take a Recruit Ally action with a Giovanni and the Ally I'm > > recruiting requires Necromancy, is it considered a Necromancy action > > for the Tower of London ? > > And another question on that; the card reads: "When an action requiring > Necromancy is successful, tap this location to gain 1 pool." > > Is that a conditional or an imperative? If I've got the Tower of London > out and someone plays Summon Soul across table, do I HAVE to tap the Tower? > (Perhaps I'm afraid of a Parity Shift, I dunno). Conditional. You are not compelled to tap the location. > If it IS someone cross table, CAN I tap the Tower? Yes. > If so, I still get the pool, right? Yes. [ quoted text not captured ]

>>Do I replace the Shock Troops before putting Master >>Disciplines in play ? > >Yes, but if you draw a Master: Discipline, it isn't eligible for Shock >Trooping (since you've already chosen the Shock Troop targets by then). > But in a dire situation, is there anything to keep someone from making a desperate attempt and announce one more discipline card than he/she has on the slim hope that he/she draws a discipline card and no one notices? Similarly, what if the players *knows* the next library card is a discipline. In that case, it would be rather easy for the person to draw the card and make it look like they've already had that card for a while... Halcyan 2

Halcyan 2 wrote: > But in a dire situation, is there anything to keep someone from making a > desperate attempt and announce one more discipline card than he/she has on the > slim hope that he/she draws a discipline card and no one notices? Yes. Card text sepcifies that the M:D cards must be from your hand. You cannot choose the one on the top of your library when you play ST. [ quoted text not captured ]

>> But in a dire situation, is there anything to keep someone from making a >> desperate attempt and announce one more discipline card than he/she has on >the >> slim hope that he/she draws a discipline card and no one notices? > >Yes. Card text sepcifies that the M:D cards must be from your hand. You >cannot choose the one on the top of your library when you play ST. > I know that the card text and the rules specify that the M:D must be from your hand, but if you're willing to take a risk (or know the next card is a Discipline card), there's really no way to prevent you from cheating, is there? (Not that *I* would of course...) Halcyan 2

>3- Shock Troops. Can I only play the Master Disciplines cards that I >have in my hand at the moment I'm playing the ST or can I put a MD in >play, then draw another to replace it and play it, etc so if I have 15 >in a row in my deck I can put 15 in play ? > > Do I replace the Shock Troops before putting Master >Disciplines in play ? > Another one: If someome sudden my Shock Troops, do I also burn the discilpinecards I intended to make vampires of? Similar if someone blocks my Shadow court satyr?

"Henke" <d98...@stud.hh.se> wrote: >If someome sudden my Shock Troops, do I also burn the discilpinecards I >intended to make vampires of? No. The card is cancelled. >Similar if someone blocks my Shadow court satyr? Blocks the recruit action, you mean? Same thing. -- LSJ

[ quoted text not captured ] It's not in your hand when you play ST, so you can't choose it. -- LSJ

LSJ skrev i meddelandet <9gsnbd$b5h$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>... [ quoted text not captured ] This seems contradicting to other rules IMHO. When a card is played, all terms of the card should be stated before the oppurtunity to play SR occurs. Example: I play Unatural Disaster. I must proclaim which location I want to burn when I play the card. Following this logic (?), when shock troops is played, I should state which mastercards from my hand I want to make vampires of and calculate the cost of the card. And if I've stated that, and someone suddens the shock troops, it just does not make sense to keep the disciplinecards afterwards. /Henke

"Henke" <d98...@stud.hh.se> wrote: > >LSJ skrev i meddelandet <9gsnbd$b5h$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>... >>"Henke" <d98...@stud.hh.se> wrote: >>>If someome sudden my Shock Troops, do I also burn the discilpinecards I >>>intended to make vampires of? >> >>No. The card is cancelled. >> >>>Similar if someone blocks my Shadow court satyr? >> >>Blocks the recruit action, you mean? Same thing. > >This seems contradicting to other rules IMHO. When a card is played, all >terms of the card should be stated before the oppurtunity to play SR occurs. >Example: I play Unatural Disaster. I must proclaim which location I want to >burn when I play the card. > >Following this logic (?), when shock troops is played, I should state which >mastercards from my hand I want to make vampires of and calculate the cost >of the card. And if I've stated that, and someone suddens the shock troops, >it just does not make sense to keep the disciplinecards afterwards. So, by that logic, the location should still be burned even if the Unnatural Disaster is Suddened. This is not the case - the case is consistent. You fully /declare/ the mater card when played. If it isn't canceled, hen the effect is as you declared. -- LSJ

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > "Henke" <d98...@stud.hh.se> wrote: >>If someome sudden my Shock Troops, do I also burn the discilpinecards I >>intended to make vampires of? > No. The card is cancelled. This made me think of another q: What if Watenda, for example, cancels Death of My Conscience? Do I not discard the cards? Can I replace the DoMC?

Jozxyqk <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote: >This made me think of another q: >What if Watenda, for example, cancels Death of My Conscience? >Do I not discard the cards? Correct. >Can I replace the DoMC? Not until after combat. The do not replace is a stricture on the play of the card - it is not part of the resolution of the card. -- LSJ

halc...@aol.com (Halcyan 2) wrote in message news:<20010621064058...@ng-fe1.aol.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] It's rather simple ! When someone plays Shock Troops, then she puts the discipline cards from her hand into play, and then she replaces all the cards she needs to complete her hand. To do differently IS cheating/abusing, IMHO. Andreas