Card Changes in KMW

Some existing cards are changed in Kindred Most Wanted. The changes go into effect (for all printings of the cards) when the set is legal for play. Anarch Revolt: Only Methuselahs who do not control ready Anarchs are affected. Heart of Darkness: Changes the way the vampire treat the aggravated damage, rather than changing the damage itself. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu

LSJ wrote: > Some existing cards are changed in Kindred Most Wanted. The changes go into > effect (for all printings of the cards) when the set is legal for play. > > Anarch Revolt: Only Methuselahs who do not control ready Anarchs are > affected. > Heart of Darkness: Changes the way the vampire treat the aggravated damage, > rather than changing the damage itself. Hmm... sounds good to me! John

LSJ wrote: > Anarch Revolt: Only Methuselahs who do not control ready Anarchs are > affected. Wow... This is HUGE!!! KMW and the 2005 rules are a revolution... Emiliano

huzzah! i have to say that the change to AR is the best thing that could have been done! 1. anson now needs a new anarchy friend, who can be easily rushed 2. it will make everyone stop whining 3. what happens if everyone stops whining about these cards? you fixed the succubus club, fixed AR, what's next? oh crap, wait, everyone can still complain about dominate... -KB, Prince of Harrisburg also, what is the date of legal play for KMW?

"LSJ" <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> wrote in message news:cv505g$n0b$1...@domitilla.aioe.org... > Some existing cards are changed in Kindred Most Wanted. The changes go into > effect (for all printings of the cards) when the set is legal for play. > > Anarch Revolt: Only Methuselahs who do not control ready Anarchs are > affected. Interesting. This will change the whole point of using the card, though for once there may be a good chance that it won't just "suckify" it or anything. It will be hard to build decks _just_ based on throwing out Anarch Revolts. But perhaps an Anarch/Combat deck will be able to use it reliably and profitably. (And I have to admit, it really makes a lot more sense in the backstory - for what it's worth.) > Heart of Darkness: Changes the way the vampire treat the aggravated damage, > rather than changing the damage itself. I'm not sure what practical effect this has. Clear up some rules glitch? Make the card better or worse? Where does this matter? Fred

LSJ wrote: > Anarch Revolt: Only Methuselahs who do not control ready Anarchs are > affected. Excellent way to fix this card. Me likes. //Petri

<id77...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1108739594.3...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > also, what is the date of legal play for KMW? For V:EKN constructed play, 30 days from release (30 days from Feb 21 = March 23). [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ <vtesr...@trapwhite-wolf.com> wrote: > Anarch Revolt: Only Methuselahs who do not control ready Anarchs are > affected. Change approved :) New strategy: Step 1: Have an Inner Circle member in play. Play a few Anarch Revolts. Step 2: Let your prey Go Anarch to avoid the damage. Step 3: PTO the new Anarch. Hooray!

id777...@gmail.com wrote: > huzzah! > > i have to say that the change to AR is the best thing that could have > been done! > 1. anson now needs a new anarchy friend, who can be easily rushed No, the Anson deck pretty much falls apart, since I'll take a 1-stealth action to become an anarch and ignore those 4 ARs. The table will no longer randomly fall apart when a stack of ARs hit the table. AR remains useful in moderation (used unexpectedly, it can get you the oust before your prey can get an anarch) or offensively (I can torp your anarchs on my turn or block your go anarch action with my intercept). This is a really good fix. John

DAMN FINE FIX!!! and it's not wallpapered either...

"Frederick Scott" <nos...@no.spam.dot.com> wrote in message news:SDnRd.9158$ds.1763@okepread07... > "LSJ" <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> wrote in message > > Heart of Darkness: Changes the way the vampire treat the aggravated damage, > > rather than changing the damage itself. > > I'm not sure what practical effect this has. Clear up some rules glitch? Make > the card better or worse? Where does this matter? Damage prevention that only prevents non-agg, for instance. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ wrote: > Anarch Revolt: Only Methuselahs who do not control ready Anarchs are > affected. This is a really nice change that doesn't detroy the card. Good job! :) Frede

jnew...@difsol.com wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Because the Anson deck never plays with Eagle's Sight.

Jozxyqk wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] I also just discovered some actual use for Liberty Club Intrigue... ;) //Petri

"Petri Wessman" <nos...@orava.org> wrote in message news:hQnRd.568$zk5...@reader1.news.jippii.net... > I also just discovered some actual use for Liberty Club Intrigue... ;) Google "liberty club author:LSJ" [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ wrote: > "Petri Wessman" <nos...@orava.org> wrote in message > news:hQnRd.568$zk5...@reader1.news.jippii.net... >> I also just discovered some actual use for Liberty Club Intrigue... ;) > > Google "liberty club author:LSJ" Way ahead of me, I see :). Well, that's to be expected. I have to repeat: I really like this change. Not only does it fix an old problem without wallpapering it, it actually opens up lots of new tactical options with it. Very nice. //Petri

[ quoted text not captured ] Okay... now I'm in combat with Anson. How many Obedience/Eagle's Sight/Majesty are you playing with? Because every one of my non-titled vampires can attempt the action each turn. With only basic dom, the ones you block can still go forward if you play Obedience, and if you don't play Obedience, I maybe get to pound the crap out of Anson. And we will be attempting the action from the moment we see your 20-card crypt. Maybe the deck stays playable, but I doubt it. John

Petri Wessman <nos...@orava.org> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] And AR+rush to kill the token anarchs. AR+Fiendish Tonque.. Yup, I quite like the way it not only removes the game breaking uses and gives more interesting ones in return. Muchos points. I may forgive you for not fixing the grouping rules. //T

Anarch Revolt: Only Methuselahs who do not control ready Anarchs are affected. wahoo! the anarchs just became (a wee bit) stronger! gsanvic -whose anarch deck is in the works

> Muchos points. I may forgive you for not fixing the grouping rules. What needs fixing? -- Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown, Jr. XZealot Archon of the Swamp

LSJ wrote: > Some existing cards are changed in Kindred Most Wanted. The changes go into > effect (for all printings of the cards) when the set is legal for play. > > Anarch Revolt: Only Methuselahs who do not control ready Anarchs are > affected. what an elegant way to change an annoying card kudos to LSJ stefan

<snip> > And AR+rush to kill the token anarchs. AR+Fiendish Tonque.. and AR+intercept too just block your prey when she uses a +1 stealth non-directed action to become anarch and ARs will just harm your prey and slow down everybody else (who have to take at least a 2 blood action) this change seems really appropriate to me it fixes many issues in just one move - powers down anson/anthelios/AR module - gives a real boost to anarch decks who really needed it well done ! Mochuda

LSJ wrote: > Anarch Revolt: Only Methuselahs who do not control ready Anarchs are > affected. As sad as it is to see old-style AR decks nerfed, it will be interesting to work the new angles offered by the new AR. Although I would have preferred a new card rather than a transformation of an old one. Hmmm...stack AR until your prey goes anarch, then stack Judgement: Camarilla Segregation? Might work...

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:24:15 +0100, Mochuda <mochuda@NO_arfe.net_SPAM> wrote: ><snip> >> And AR+rush to kill the token anarchs. AR+Fiendish Tonque.. > >and AR+intercept too > >just block your prey when she uses a +1 stealth non-directed action to >become anarch > >and ARs will just harm your prey and slow down everybody else (who have >to take at least a 2 blood action) except all of those people who are already playing Anarchs decks and have Galaric's and other things *grin*

> Anarch Revolt: Only Methuselahs who do not control ready Anarchs are > affected. YEEEEEEAH !!!! :)))) Great. Death to Arika, hang Anson by the noodles and let him dry in the sun. GO ANARCHS GO !!!!! Now we can play the game... Did I mention I liked it ? -------------- Orpheus

"Mochuda" <mochuda@NO_arfe.net_SPAM> schreef in bericht news:4216162b$0$999$79c1...@nan-newsreader-07.noos.net... [ quoted text not captured ] you forgot: royally screws 1 cap weenie decks :)

"LSJ" <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> writes: > Anarch Revolt: Only Methuselahs who do not control ready Anarchs are > affected. Repeat after me: Best. Fix. *Ever.* I have never before seen fixing a problematic card generate so many new possibilities and strategies. We will see powerful, titled elders sacrificing themselves for anarch weenies - Arika, out of Obediences, Majesties and fortitude cards, blocking someone rushing Hanna Redmonds... Beautiful! :-D -- hg@ "If you can't offend part of your audience, iki.fi there is no point in being an artist at all." -Hakim Bey

"Orpheus" <orphe...@ERASERHEADfree.fr> wrote in message news:42163465$0$7830$636a...@news.free.fr... > Did I mention I liked it ? Consider it in trade for the absent Gio, then? [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ wrote: > "Orpheus" <orphe...@ERASERHEADfree.fr> wrote in message > news:42163465$0$7830$636a...@news.free.fr... > > Did I mention I liked it ? > > > Consider it in trade for the absent Gio, then? I think next time, you should make a point of pulling the Giovanni names out of alphabetical order to the end of the list, just to make Orpheus squawk more. :P (And I like the change to AR, for what it's worth.) > -- > LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. -John Flournoy

"LSJ" <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> a écrit dans le message de news: cv5eqt$shu$1...@domitilla.aioe.org... > "Orpheus" <orphe...@ERASERHEADfree.fr> wrote in message > news:42163465$0$7830$636a...@news.free.fr... > > Did I mention I liked it ? > > > Consider it in trade for the absent Gio, then? > > -- > LSJ Ok, you're my man ! ;) But I still get to publish your picture from Germany... :D Good job, LSJ, really. Hope I get many nice surprises in K:MW. Oh, and by the way : not all your choices (of absences thereof) can please everybody ; I've hated some of them as much as I've loved most of your recents decisions. I heard people saying you do a bad job, or should be replaced. And I may even say it sometimes, when my necroflask is nearly dry. ;) You also can be very unnerving, online or in real life, with your more-than-english flegm. But all in all : you do quite well, and I really wouldn't like to be in your shoes. Nor do I know at the time anyone able to do your job better than you. I know you know it, but it's good to remind it sometimes... This being said, you'd better have concocted some good necro cards if you don't want to have a few really, really bad nightmares from sunday on... ------------ Orpheus (not a texan's boots licker, just honest)

"John Flournoy" <carn...@gmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news: 1108754657.3...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > LSJ wrote: > > "Orpheus" <orphe...@ERASERHEADfree.fr> wrote in message > > news:42163465$0$7830$636a...@news.free.fr... > > > Did I mention I liked it ? > > > > > > Consider it in trade for the absent Gio, then? > > I think next time, you should make a point of pulling the Giovanni > names out of alphabetical order to the end of the list, just to make > Orpheus squawk more. :P GRRRRRR... You evil, evil you !! (where did I put that baleful doll again ?) Anyone got a hair of John Flournoy to spare ? Or a toenail would do. (that man's gonna suffer...) ----------- Orpheus (kicked out of Giovanni News by a brazilian putsch ;)

> Oh, and by the way : not all your choices (of absences thereof) can please > everybody; Nor should they. People often want things that are impractical for the game (asking to print disproportionate numbers of Giovanni, etc.) > I've hated some of them as much as I've loved most of your > recents decisions. I heard people saying you do a bad job, or should be > replaced. And I may even say it sometimes, when my necroflask is nearly dry. > ;) You also can be very unnerving, online or in real life, with your > more-than-english flegm. PHLEGM (www.m-w.com) is defined as a : dull or apathetic coldness or indifference [This does not describe LSJ. He listens to what us players say, and this especially when what we say is logical and supported.] b : intrepid coolness or calm fortitude [Yes. LSJ has much coolness and Superior Fortitude.] > But all in all : you do quite well, and I really > wouldn't like to be in your shoes. Nor do I know at the time anyone able to > do your job better than you. I personally have never thought he should be replaced. However, even among those who do get upset with a ruling, I believe the general consensus is he is doing a great job. After all, we all vote with our wallets, right? -- Brian Booster box and 4 starters of KMW on the way

[ quoted text not captured ] Geez. You don't know half. :) See the "newsletter seizure" this way. The newsletter is back and you're the Consiliere. And I'm as much puzzled by the absent Gio as you... necrocheers, Fabio "Sooner" Macedo V:TES National Coordinator for Brazil Giovanni Clan Newsletter Editor ----------------------------------------------------- V:tES Brasil Site (only in Portuguese for now) http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/vtesbrasil/

> > ;) You also can be very unnerving, online or in real life, with your > > more-than-english flegm. > > PHLEGM (www.m-w.com) is defined as > > a : dull or apathetic coldness or indifference > [This does not describe LSJ. He listens to what us players say, and > this especially when what we say is logical and supported.] > > b : intrepid coolness or calm fortitude > [Yes. LSJ has much coolness and Superior Fortitude.] Have you ever met him ? I'm not talking online-ness here, just real life. It his house was on fire, this guy would put his slippers on, take his favourite goldfish and walk out of the door calmly, with maybe a slight "sigh" at the thought of all the new rulings that are going into flames. ;) > > But all in all : you do quite well, and I really > > wouldn't like to be in your shoes. Nor do I know at the time anyone > able to > > do your job better than you. > > I personally have never thought he should be replaced. However, even > among those who do get upset with a ruling, I believe the general > consensus is he is doing a great job. As you know, the miscontents make themselves heard more easily and noisily than the content. And i have heard such comments. > After all, we all vote with our > wallets, right? Right to some extent. Lots of things can make a player stop playing or buying. And while I do approve some recent decisions on the rules side, I disapprove some other things, have other things of importance in my life, and am probably going to stop buying, progressively or abruptly, after K:MW. Anyway, I just wanted to make a point I felt needed be made. ------------ Orpheus

"Fabio "Sooner"" <fabio_...@NOSPAMterra.com.br> a écrit dans le message de news: 4tvc11phtjik1vg85...@4ax.com... > On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:24:25 +0100, "Orpheus" > <orphe...@ERASERHEADfree.fr> wrote: > > >"John Flournoy" <carn...@gmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news: > >1108754657.3...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > >> > >> LSJ wrote: > >> > "Orpheus" <orphe...@ERASERHEADfree.fr> wrote in message > >> > news:42163465$0$7830$636a...@news.free.fr... > >> > > Did I mention I liked it ? > >> > > >> > > >> > Consider it in trade for the absent Gio, then? > >> > >> I think next time, you should make a point of pulling the Giovanni > >> names out of alphabetical order to the end of the list, just to make > >> Orpheus squawk more. :P > > > >GRRRRRR... You evil, evil you !! > >(where did I put that baleful doll again ?) > >Anyone got a hair of John Flournoy to spare ? Or a toenail would do. > >(that man's gonna suffer...) > >----------- > >Orpheus (kicked out of Giovanni News by a brazilian putsch ;) > > Geez. You don't know half. :) > > See the "newsletter seizure" this way. The newsletter is back and > you're the Consiliere. And I'm as much puzzled by the absent Gio as > you... Is it really necessary to say that I was kidding, necrobro ? Truth is : I gave the help I could, but you did a fine job and set a new tone for the Clan News that most people (me included) seem to have liked. The Samedi Newsletter was great also. We just need a HoS, and, man, are we ROLLING !! --------------- Orpheus, Necrohappy

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:52:38 +0100, "Orpheus" <orphe...@ERASERHEADfree.fr> wrote: >"Fabio "Sooner"" <fabio_...@NOSPAMterra.com.br> a écrit dans le message >de news: 4tvc11phtjik1vg85...@4ax.com... >> On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:24:25 +0100, "Orpheus" >> <orphe...@ERASERHEADfree.fr> wrote: >> >Orpheus (kicked out of Giovanni News by a brazilian putsch ;) >> >> Geez. You don't know half. :) >> >> See the "newsletter seizure" this way. The newsletter is back and >> you're the Consiliere. And I'm as much puzzled by the absent Gio as >> you... > >Is it really necessary to say that I was kidding, necrobro ? Of course not. See the smiling ;) >Truth is : I gave the help I could, but you did a fine job and set a new >tone for the Clan News that most people (me included) seem to have liked. Hope so. It was very fun to write, certainly. But the best thing is to see it stimulating ideas to a point where someone builds a deck to see how it goes. >The Samedi Newsletter was great also. We just need a HoS, and, man, are we >ROLLING !! >--------------- >Orpheus, Necrohappy And the poor Nagaraja? :-))) best, [ quoted text not captured ]

Orpheus wrote: > GRRRRRR... You evil, evil you !! > > (where did I put that baleful doll again ?) > > Anyone got a hair of John Flournoy to spare ? Or a toenail would do. > > (that man's gonna suffer...) I do. I'll trade you for...mmmm...a Draught of the Soul. --Colin McGuigan

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:24:11 -0500, "LSJ" <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> scrawled: >"Frederick Scott" <nos...@no.spam.dot.com> wrote in message >news:SDnRd.9158$ds.1763@okepread07... >> "LSJ" <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> wrote in message >> > Heart of Darkness: Changes the way the vampire treat the aggravated >damage, >> > rather than changing the damage itself. >> >> I'm not sure what practical effect this has. Clear up some rules glitch? >Make >> the card better or worse? Where does this matter? > > >Damage prevention that only prevents non-agg, for instance. also makes rotschrek playable against a heart'd vampire? or could it be before....? salem http://www.users.tpg.com.au/adsltqna/VtES/index.htm (replace "hotmail" with "yahoo" to email)

> Anarch Revolt: Only Methuselahs who do not control ready Anarchs are > affected. SUPER! Works well with Fiendish Tounge as well, somewhat ... Robert

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:52:22 +1100, salem <salem_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote: >also makes rotschrek playable against a heart'd vampire? or could it >be before....? Rotschreck could be played against a vampire with Heart of Darkness previously. This change does not affect that. See section 3.5 of the FAQ: http://www.thelasombra.com/vtes_faq.htm 3.5. Can Rötschreck still be played... Can Rötschreck still be played at long range while the reacting minion declares an aggravated hand strike? No. Cannot be used if the "attempt to use aggravated damage" is not applicable at the current range. The most common example is an aggravated hand strike done at long range. Can I play a Rotschrek if I am attempting to do 0 aggravated hand damage? No. Minion A announced his Ivory Bow as a strike, and the opposing Minion B played Blood Rage. Can Rötschreck be played on Minion B? Yes. Blood Rage does not resolve before the Strike Announcement phase, which is when you play Rotschreck, so Rotschreck can still be played. Can Rötschreck still be played if the opposing minion plays a Strike: Combat Ends? Yes. Rötschreck cares about the attempt to inflict aggravated damage, not whether or not the strike will successfully resolve. Can Rötschreck still be played if the opposing minion is treating aggravated damage as normal damage? What if they played a Skin of Night, Armor of Terra, or Adaptability? Yes. Rötschreck cares about the attempt to inflict aggravated damage, not whether or not the vampire receiving the damage can prevent it or treat it as normal damage. Can Rötschreck still be played if the opposing minion has a Flak Jacket, Leather Jacket, or some other way to prevent the damage? Yes. Rötschreck cares about the attempt to inflict aggravated damage, and the damage resolution stage is never reached. Carpe noctem. Lasombra http://www.TheLasombra.com Your best online source for information about V:TES. Now also featuring individual card sales and sales of booster and starter box displays.

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 22:15:28 -0500, The Lasombra <TheLa...@hotmail.com> scrawled: >On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:52:22 +1100, salem ><salem_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>also makes rotschrek playable against a heart'd vampire? or could it >>be before....? > >Rotschreck could be played against a vampire with Heart of Darkness >previously. This change does not affect that. yeah, if i had bothered to read the actual old card text, i'd have gotten it. i thought the change might have meant the old text was "opposing minions doing agg against this vampire do normal instead" or something. my bad. :) [ quoted text not captured ]