I'm building a Salubri/Imbued deck that wants to use Vitae Block with
the Redemption card Punish. As it is late where I am, and looking at
the wording on both cards I think I'm right. But I still wanted to
ask.
Vitae Block
Type: Combat
Play before range is determined. Only usable if the opposing minion is
a vampire. A vampire can play only one Vitae Block each combat.
[obe] Put this card in play and move up to 2 blood from the opposing
vampire to this card. During your untap phase, return the blood
counters to that vampire and burn this card.
Punish
Type: Action / Combat
Requires: Redemption
[ACTION] +1 stealth action. (D) Put this card on a vampire. You still
control this card. The vampire with this card cannot gain blood. Any
blood he or she gains goes to the blood bank instead. Burn this card
during your next untap phase.
[COMBAT] As [ACTION] above, but put this card on the opposing vampire
as a hand strike (at strength damage) instead.
Is "returning" the blood from VB technically the same as gaining blood
for all intents and purposes from Punish? If so then cool beans, if
not then I should put a halt to my deck ideas for the time being.
I did a search for vitae block and found a thread asking about it with
blood clots, and someone basically said returning and gained are the
same. But I would still like to ask. And if it is true, each card has
a "during your next untap, burn this card." I would get to choose
which to burn first I imagine. Seeing how they are both my cards and
would burn at the same time.
Thank you!
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I would assume the following reasoning:
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A vampire has X blood.
Effect Y
A vampire has more than X blood.
Effect Y = Gaining Blood.
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If the ending of vitae block's effect would not be considered gaining
blood, then X in the previous example would have to be unaltered by
the playing of vitae block to begin with. ie. I play vitae block, and
the opposing vampire still has X blood, there's just 3 of it on this
card. This is not how the card works. You lose the blood, then regain
it. (playing it can trigger anathema, for example.)
Hope that's sufficiently clear,
B
Just to clarify what I mean:
Since at the initial playing of Vitae Block you lose blood, you gain
blood when you get it back.
If you wouldn't gain blood when having your blood returned, you
wouldn't lose it in the first place, and count as having said blood.
This is not the case.
Cheers,
B
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Isn't the broblem what gets burned first on next untap ?
Both cards trigger on untap and if I remember right the controller of
minion decides which goes first ?
Or did I miss something in here ?
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The player whose untap it is (who also happens to be the controller of both the
Vitae Block and the Punish -- and who is not the controller of the target
vampire) orders the effects as she likes. Typically, this will be the
blood-return bit on Vitae Block first (sending the blood to the bank instead).