New Preview: Form of Mist

Finally the first of the migrated cards is reevealed: Form ot Mist Protean, Combat pro: Strike: dodge PRO: Srike: combat ends. If this vampire is acting, he or she may burn 1 blood to continue this action at +1 stealth as if unblocked (this action can still be blocked). A vampire may play only 1 form of Mist at superior each action. I'd say the change is moderate and really ok for this card. And it will be easy to recognize the card by the pic, whether you like it or not. regards, pallando

> Finally the first of the migrated cards is reevealed: > > Form ot Mist > Protean, Combat > pro: Strike: dodge > PRO: Srike: combat ends. If this vampire is acting, he or > she may burn 1 > blood to continue this action at +1 stealth as if > unblocked (this action can > still be blocked). A vampire may play only 1 form of Mist > at superior each > action. BLAH... double blah... [This part has been Censored for your protection] At least there's an option... If you don't have the blood it's still a S:CE... > I'd say the change is moderate and really ok for this > card. And it will be > easy to recognize the card by the pic, whether you like it or not. > > regards, > > pallando -- Direct access to this group with http://web2news.com http://web2news.com/?rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

pallando wrote: :: Finally the first of the migrated cards is reevealed: [ quoted text not captured ] I think the change is PERFECT. It means the card still costs no blood, the dodge option makes it valid in weenie protean, only the "continue action" clause costs something. Plus you can't continue your action then end combat with the superior S:ce version if you're blocked again or eat a psyche so you'd better judge your opponent carefully and not rely too much on this card =) Great, great =) (kiss LSJ on the cheeks)

Kulaid <kulaid.ne...@web2news.net> wrote: :> Finally the first of the migrated cards is reevealed: :> :> Form ot Mist :> Protean, Combat :> pro: Strike: dodge :> PRO: Srike: combat ends. If this vampire is acting, he or :> she may burn 1 :> blood to continue this action at +1 stealth as if :> unblocked (this action can :> still be blocked). A vampire may play only 1 form of Mist :> at superior each :> action. : BLAH... double blah... [This part has been Censored for your : protection] : At least there's an option... If you don't have the blood it's still a : S:CE... The change is ok, and I think nicely in line with other recent changes.. I just still hope they wont add a cost to Earth Meld.. In any case.. Who on earth let that picture to go into print? Yuk. Not as bad as some of the more horrible WW artists, but still.. //T

In message <b96sg4$9am$1...@oravannahka.helsinki.fi>, Teemu T Vilen <tvi...@cc.helsinki.fi> writes: >The change is ok, and I think nicely in line with other recent changes.. >I just still hope they wont add a cost to Earth Meld.. Earth Meld does not have any errata on it to do that (thus excluding it from the Migration set), does feature in the set (see the partial checklist) and does not feature in the Migrations set. So the chances of it being changed seem remote. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D Lucky that my breasts are small and humble, EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 So you don't confuse them with mountains. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D

In article <b962s1$obv$1...@bird.wu-wien.ac.at>, pallando wrote: > Finally the first of the migrated cards is reevealed: > > Form ot Mist > Protean, Combat > pro: Strike: dodge > PRO: Srike: combat ends. If this vampire is acting, he or she may burn 1 > blood to continue this action at +1 stealth as if unblocked (this action can > still be blocked). A vampire may play only 1 form of Mist at superior each > action. OK, does this mean that the combat card Form of Mist is now restricted during their action or all actions? Could a vamp use FoM, be psyched then play FoM again if they were not acting?

mi...@brucehall75.anu.edu.au wrote: > In article <b962s1$obv$1...@bird.wu-wien.ac.at>, pallando wrote: >>Form ot Mist >>A vampire may play only 1 form of Mist at superior each >>action. > > OK, does this mean that the combat card Form of Mist is now restricted > during their action or all actions? Could a vamp use FoM, be psyched > then play FoM again if they were not acting? "A vampire may play only 1 Form of Mist at superior each action." (card text, when the Anarch card text becomes official). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

>> OK, does this mean that the combat card Form of Mist is now restricted >> during their action or all actions? Could a vamp use FoM, be psyched >> then play FoM again if they were not acting? > >"A vampire may play only 1 Form of Mist at superior each action." >(card text, when the Anarch card text becomes official). The simple answer is no, after playing a FoM at superior at getting Psyched!, that minion cannot play another FoM at superior. Halcyan 2

Halcyan 2 wrote: >>"A vampire may play only 1 Form of Mist at superior each action." > > The simple answer is no, after playing a FoM at superior at getting Psyched!, > that minion cannot play another FoM at superior. How is "cannot play another" any simpler than "may play only 1" ? [ quoted text not captured ]

"reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3eb6d59c$0$1691$79c1...@nan-newsreader-03.noos.net>... [ quoted text not captured ] It just does what Staredown does, only has another point of utility... ~SV

vermillian wrote: :: "reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message [ quoted text not captured ] not really : you can play Staredown at superior again and again when facing a telepathic tracking/psyche.

On Tue, 6 May 2003 20:05:27 +0200, "reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com> wrote: >vermillian wrote: >:: "reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >:: news:<3eb6d59c$0$1691$79c1...@nan-newsreader-03.noos.net>... >::: pallando wrote: >::::: Finally the first of the migrated cards is reevealed: >::::: >::::: Form ot Mist >::::: Protean, Combat >::::: pro: Strike: dodge >::::: PRO: Srike: combat ends. If this vampire is acting, he or she >::::: may burn 1 blood to continue this action at +1 stealth as if >::::: unblocked (this action can still be blocked). A vampire may >::::: play only 1 form of Mist at superior each action. >::::: >::::: I'd say the change is moderate and really ok for this card. And >::::: it will be easy to recognize the card by the pic, whether you >::::: like it or not. >::: >::: > Bah, Gangrel have so little stealth anyway... throw them a bone on this one. -< Johann Lionheart >- http://www.johannsdomain.com

"-< Johann Lionheart >-" <Johann@/nospam/johannsdomain.com> wrote in message news:<u84gbv4ecaio1t640...@4ax.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] Erm, Earth Control is equivalent to Shadow Play, and only Lost in Crowds is better. Aside from those three cards, there are no other +2 stealth modifiers usable on any action. I have seen so many PRO/dom stealth bleed decks I now find them as uninteresting as old-school Malk decks. (There were three at the NW Regional Qualifier.) I believe it was the great Gary Coleman who said, "Whatchoo talkin' bout, Willis?"

>> The simple answer is no, after playing a FoM at superior at getting >Psyched!, >> that minion cannot play another FoM at superior. > >How is "cannot play another" any simpler than "may play only 1" ? I just meant the simple part was "no". =) Halcyan 2

>> Bah, Gangrel have so little stealth anyway... throw them a bone on >> this one. >> -< Johann Lionheart >- >> http://www.johannsdomain.com > >Erm, Earth Control is equivalent to Shadow Play, and only Lost in >Crowds is better. Aside from those three cards, there are no other +2 >stealth modifiers usable on any action. I have seen so many PRO/dom >stealth bleed decks I now find them as uninteresting as old-school >Malk decks. (There were three at the NW Regional Qualifier.) I >believe it was the great Gary Coleman who said, "Whatchoo talkin' >bout, Willis?" Not to mention that Protean is now the only discipline with true unblockable modifiers (limited Beast Meld and no strings attached Horrific Countenance). Halcyan 2

vol...@yahoo.com (Eric Simon) wrote in message news:<6f81fa2c.03050...@posting.google.com>... > "-< Johann Lionheart >-" <Johann@/nospam/johannsdomain.com> wrote in message news:<u84gbv4ecaio1t640...@4ax.com>... > > On Tue, 6 May 2003 20:05:27 +0200, "reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com> > > wrote: > > (snip comments on the changes to Form of Mist) > > Bah, Gangrel have so little stealth anyway... throw them a bone on > > this one. > > -< Johann Lionheart >- > > Erm, Earth Control is equivalent to Shadow Play, and only Lost in > Crowds is better. Aside from those three cards, there are no other +2 > stealth modifiers usable on any action. I have seen so many PRO/dom > stealth bleed decks I now find them as uninteresting as old-school > Malk decks. (There were three at the NW Regional Qualifier.) I > believe it was the great Gary Coleman who said, "Whatchoo talkin' > bout, Willis?" Ever tried defending against a moderately fast bleeder or voter, with Gangrel dom/pro? Your average capacity is really high and you need many copies of the same few vampires (Illiana, Ingrid Rossler, the Inner Circle member, Caitlin and Genevieve), which leads to cryptjam. Both my SO and I tried it many times, and on a table with little bleedbounce it may work well, but around here such tables just don't happen often enough - not even in friendly games. Besides, isn't unblockable powerbleed much more efficient? Either nec/dom or obf/dom will allow this, and especially the former has room for Le Dinh Tho as well, which tends to keep your gandprey alive until *you* get to kill her or him. Much more efficient. Regards, Patrick Columbus, OH PS. I still like Kindred Spirits though, for it's poolgain. But with me being fond of strange decks, there's little change you'll see me bleeding for whole lots, notwithstanding the efficiency of such decks.

sam...@hotmail.com (Patrick van der Reest) wrote in message news:<92081c66.03050...@posting.google.com>... > vol...@yahoo.com (Eric Simon) wrote in message news:<6f81fa2c.03050...@posting.google.com>... > > "-< Johann Lionheart >-" <Johann@/nospam/johannsdomain.com> wrote in message news:<u84gbv4ecaio1t640...@4ax.com>... > > > On Tue, 6 May 2003 20:05:27 +0200, "reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > (snip comments on the changes to Form of Mist) > > > > Bah, Gangrel have so little stealth anyway... throw them a bone on > > > this one. > > > -< Johann Lionheart >- > > > > Erm, Earth Control is equivalent to Shadow Play, and only Lost in > > Crowds is better. Aside from those three cards, there are no other +2 > > stealth modifiers usable on any action. I have seen so many PRO/dom > > stealth bleed decks I now find them as uninteresting as old-school > > Malk decks. (There were three at the NW Regional Qualifier.) I > > believe it was the great Gary Coleman who said, "Whatchoo talkin' > > bout, Willis?" > > Ever tried defending against a moderately fast bleeder or voter, with > Gangrel dom/pro? Your average capacity is really high and you need > many copies of the same few vampires (Illiana, Ingrid Rossler, the > Inner Circle member, Caitlin and Genevieve), which leads to cryptjam. > Both my SO and I tried it many times, and on a table with little > bleedbounce it may work well, but around here such tables just don't > happen often enough - not even in friendly games. But you've got pretty solid vote lock, and can bounce at least a few times. Also, I usually see these decks bloating like crazy, so who cares if a couple of 3-bleeds get through? Plus, with Ingrid and an Info Highway, those big vamps come out FAST. > Besides, isn't unblockable powerbleed much more efficient? Either > nec/dom or obf/dom will allow this, and especially the former has room > for Le Dinh Tho as well, which tends to keep your gandprey alive until > *you* get to kill her or him. Much more efficient. Yes, those could be more efficient, but my point was that Earth Control solidly establishes Protean as a stealth discipline on par with Obtenebration. Only Obfuscate is significantly more stealthy. -Volya42

vol...@yahoo.com (Eric Simon) wrote in message news:<6f81fa2c.0305...@posting.google.com>... > > > > > > (snip comments on the changes to Form of Mist) > > > > > > Bah, Gangrel have so little stealth anyway... throw them a bone on > > > > this one. > > > > -< Johann Lionheart >- > > > > But you've got pretty solid vote lock, and can bounce at least a few > times. Also, I usually see these decks bloating like crazy, so who > cares if a couple of 3-bleeds get through? Plus, with Ingrid and an > Info Highway, those big vamps come out FAST. Unless anyone at all plays a vote deck with presence, that is. Sure, Ingrid plus Stanislava means 6 standing votes (and Caitlin plus Genevieve means 5), but that's rarely enough to block a voter from doing his stuff, unless someone else has (say) Gratiano sitting around. And even then, either you or him could be swayed by promises and fringe benefits. > > Besides, isn't unblockable powerbleed much more efficient? Either > > nec/dom or obf/dom will allow this, and especially the former has room > > for Le Dinh Tho as well, which tends to keep your gandprey alive until > > *you* get to kill her or him. Much more efficient. > > Yes, those could be more efficient, but my point was that Earth > Control solidly establishes Protean as a stealth discipline on par > with Obtenebration. Only Obfuscate is significantly more stealthy. I agree with you here. After Obfuscate, Protean and Obtenebration are the main stealth disciplines, although I think one could add Necromancy. Dementation runs a little behind, and Celerity stealth is a pretty good joke :). Regards, Patrick Columbus, OH

"Patrick van der Reest" <sam...@hotmail.com> wrote > > I agree with you here. After Obfuscate, Protean and Obtenebration are > the main stealth disciplines, although I think one could add > Necromancy. Dementation runs a little behind, and Celerity stealth is > a pretty good joke :). *ahem* Chimerstry? Backed up by the Ravnos permanents, the Ravnos are pretty hard to stop when they don't want to be... Though I'm usually far more afraid when they *do* want to be stopped. Cheers, WES

"Wes" <gh...@NYETSPAMmnsi.net> wrote in message news:<b9hqk...@enews4.newsguy.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] Eh, not so much. Chimerstry alone can't get past +2 stealth without permanents, though one of those cards is a repeatable S:CE+Continue, which is helpful. The permanents are really the big part of Ravnos stealth, particularly if you're playing a Gypsy deck. Protean, on the other hand, can get up to +3 stealth, +4 if you're blocked once, +5 if you also have inferior Animalism, and unblockable if you want to spend the blood. Compare to Obtenebration - can get up to +5 (one of which is also a block-fails usable by a non-acting minion), +6 if you also have inferior Dominate. (We can't even count how high Obfuscate can go, because it depends how many Cloaks you can play at superior.) Dementation can only get up to +2, +3 if it's a bleed action (which it usually is), and all Necromancy has is Spectral Divination, Call of the Hungry Dead and Ex Nihilo, and that's only slightly better than Celerity (which has up to +2 stealth and then a conditional -1 intercept). All the other disciplines have one or two stealth at most, and/or stealth that's only usable for specific types of actions. So yeah, I think of Protean as a stealth discipline. It's certainly in the top three. -Volya42

"Wes" <gh...@NYETSPAMmnsi.net> wrote in message news:<b9hqk...@enews4.newsguy.com>... > "Patrick van der Reest" <sam...@hotmail.com> wrote > > > > I agree with you here. After Obfuscate, Protean and Obtenebration are > > the main stealth disciplines, although I think one could add > > Necromancy. Dementation runs a little behind, and Celerity stealth is > > a pretty good joke :). > > *ahem* Chimerstry? > > Backed up by the Ravnos permanents, the Ravnos are pretty hard to stop when > they don't want to be... > On a par with Dementation - sorry I forgot them. And Vicissitude has about that amount of stealth as well, although they lack the clan location of course. Regards, Patrick Columbus, OH

vol...@yahoo.com (Eric Simon) wrote in message news:<6f81fa2c.03051...@posting.google.com>... >> > > I agree with you here. After Obfuscate, Protean and Obtenebration are > > > the main stealth disciplines, although I think one could add > > > Necromancy. Dementation runs a little behind, and Celerity stealth is > > > a pretty good joke :). > > > > Eh, not so much. Chimerstry alone can't get past +2 stealth without > permanents, though one of those cards is a repeatable S:CE+Continue, > which is helpful. The permanents are really the big part of Ravnos > stealth, particularly if you're playing a Gypsy deck. Protean, on the > other hand, can get up to +3 stealth, +4 if you're blocked once, +5 if > you also have inferior Animalism, and unblockable if you want to spend > the blood. Compare to Obtenebration - can get up to +5 (one of which > is also a block-fails usable by a non-acting minion), +6 if you also > have inferior Dominate. (We can't even count how high Obfuscate can > go, because it depends how many Cloaks you can play at superior.) > Dementation can only get up to +2, +3 if it's a bleed action (which it > usually is), and all Necromancy has is Spectral Divination, Call of > the Hungry Dead and Ex Nihilo, and that's only slightly better than > Celerity (which has up to +2 stealth and then a conditional -1 > intercept). All the other disciplines have one or two stealth at > most, and/or stealth that's only usable for specific types of actions. > > So yeah, I think of Protean as a stealth discipline. It's certainly > in the top three. I agree with you here, although one must mention that actually getting your hands on the obtenebration stealth cards (at least Shroud of absence and Blanket of Night)is an absolute HELLISH NIGHTMARE (at least everywhere I go, which is quite a large part of Europe). [So if any French,Dutch,Belgian,German..people read this whom I actually haven't asked yet: yes, I'm looking:-) greetz Jo