Black Glove vs Immortal Grapple

Quick question on the black glove: This weapons does Strenght + 1 aggravated damage and is a glove. Does that mean that if I immortal grapple someone, I can use my glove to make strenght + 1 aggravated damage? In the case of Lazverinius using a torn signpost and striking for +3, effectively inflicting 9 Aggravated damage which would probably burn most vamps in that game unless they can prevent! Thanks!

"2Extreme4U" <xruby...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1110399077.7...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > Quick question on the black glove: > > This weapons does Strenght + 1 aggravated damage and is a glove. Does > that mean that if I immortal grapple someone, I can use my glove to > make strenght + 1 aggravated damage? No. It is a melee weapon. Striking with a melee weapon is forbidden under Immortal Grapple. -- LSJ (vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep (Remove spam trap to reply). V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu

> This weapons does Strenght + 1 aggravated damage and is a glove. Does that mean that if I immortal grapple someone, I can use my glove to make strenght + 1 aggravated damage? no. black gloves are a meele weapon. read the cards...

On 9 Mar 2005 12:11:17 -0800, "2Extreme4U" <xruby...@hotmail.com> wrote: >Quick question on the black glove: > >This weapons does Strenght + 1 aggravated damage and is a glove. Does >that mean that if I immortal grapple someone, I can use my glove to >make strenght + 1 aggravated damage? No. Black Glove is a "Unique melee weapon.". Hence it's a Melee Weapon strike. Hence it is not a Hand Strike. Hence it is not permissable by the terms of Immortal Grapple. Morgan Vening - Hence

2Extreme4U wrote: > Quick question on the black glove: > > This weapons does Strenght + 1 aggravated damage and is a glove. Does > that mean that if I immortal grapple someone, I can use my glove to > make strenght + 1 aggravated damage? No. Using a weapon is not a hand strike, which is what Immortal Grapple limits you to. The fact that the card name includes 'Gloves' does not override the fact that it's a (melee) weapon by card text. You can no more use a Black Glove while Immortal Grappling than you can a Sengir Dagger or Kali's Fang. Black Gloves' card text also does not alter your hand damage, so you'd be striking for whatever your base strength is. > In the case of Lazverinius using a torn signpost and striking for +3, > effectively inflicting 9 Aggravated damage which would probably burn > most vamps in that game unless they can prevent! A very nasty combo, but not one you can use with Immortal Grapple. > Thanks! -John Flournoy

2Extreme4U <xruby...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1110399077.7...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > Quick question on the black glove: > > This weapons does Strenght + 1 aggravated damage and is a glove. Does > that mean that if I immortal grapple someone, I can use my glove to > make strenght + 1 aggravated damage? > No, it's a melee weapon and . . . oh nevermind

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 jeff...@pacbell.net wrote: > Now that we have a card classification of "Grapple" perhaps Black > Gloves and Bang Nakh could be written as: > > Bang Nakh > Equipment > Melee Weapon. Grapple. Strength +2 damage each strike. > > Black Gloves > Unique Equipment > Melee Weapon. Grapple. etc To what end? Disengage and Immense Size only protect against grapple cards as they are played (the latter restricts the playing of). They wouldn't have any effect on these equipment cards. Matt Morgan

LSJ wrote: > "2Extreme4U" <xruby...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1110399077.7...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > > Quick question on the black glove: > > > > This weapons does Strenght + 1 aggravated damage and is a glove. Does > > that mean that if I immortal grapple someone, I can use my glove to > > make strenght + 1 aggravated damage? > > No. It is a melee weapon. Striking with a melee weapon is forbidden > under Immortal Grapple. Now that we have a card classification of "Grapple" perhaps Black [ quoted text not captured ]

jeff...@pacbell.net wrote: > LSJ wrote: >>"2Extreme4U" <xruby...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>that mean that if I immortal grapple someone, I can use my glove to >>>make strenght + 1 aggravated damage? >> >>No. It is a melee weapon. Striking with a melee weapon is forbidden >>under Immortal Grapple. > > Now that we have a card classification of "Grapple" perhaps Black > Gloves and Bang Nakh could be written as: > > Bang Nakh > Equipment > Melee Weapon. Grapple. Strength +2 damage each strike. > > Black Gloves > Unique Equipment > Melee Weapon. Grapple. etc Perhaps. But they are not grapples, so assigning that name would be inconsistent with what that term represents. Also, the answer regarding Immortal Grapple would still be the same -- strikes with grapple weapons are still not hand strikes (since they are weapon strikes). -- LSJ (vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep (remove spam trap to reply) Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/