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In article <342960E4...@sp.zrz.tu-berlin.de>, Thomas Stellmach <soch...@sp.zrz.tu-berlin.de> writes >Hi ! > >A plays disguised weapon/Flamethrower, wulf claws inf. and decapitate >inf. . B plays s:ce. > >Which of the card effects resolve and for which costs has A to pay ? > >Thanks, Thomas > >[ A MIME text / x-vcard part was included here. ] > Player A disguised weapons his flamethrower during Establish Range - right. That goes ahead - he plays it. If he then declares his strike as hand damage with Wolf Claws, he has to pay for that also. Player B would, at this point, play his Strike: Combat Ends. You never get to play a Decapitate because no-one goes to torpor. Combat ends immediately at the start of strike resolution - no aggravated hand damage is dealt so no-one goes to torpor With regards to the Wolf Claws, Player A could wait until AFTER player B declares his strike to play the Wolf Claws so Player A, seeing a Strike: combat ends appear, could keep it in his hand (so as not to pay for it) or play it (to get rid of it if he has lots of them). However, this seems an odd thing to do anyway. If Player A uses a Disguised Weapon to get a Flamethrower, why not just use that as his strike and forget about the wolf claws? You do know that Wolf Claws only works on hand strikes and you can't hand strike and flamethrower strike at the same time? -- James Coupe (remove .nospam to reply by e-mail) If you find you are falling into madness - dive

James Coupe wrote: > In article <342960E4...@sp.zrz.tu-berlin.de>, Thomas Stellmach > <soch...@sp.zrz.tu-berlin.de> writes > >A plays disguised weapon/Flamethrower, wulf claws inf. and decapitate > >inf. . B plays s:ce. > > > >Which of the card effects resolve and for which costs has A to pay ? > > Player A disguised weapons his flamethrower during Establish Range - > right. That goes ahead - he plays it. And pays for the Flamethrower. > If he then declares his strike as hand damage with Wolf Claws, he has to > pay for that also. > > Player B would, at this point, play his Strike: Combat Ends. You never > get to play a Decapitate because no-one goes to torpor. > > Combat ends immediately at the start of strike resolution - no > aggravated hand damage is dealt so no-one goes to torpor Correct. > With regards to the Wolf Claws, Player A could wait until AFTER player B > declares his strike to play the Wolf Claws so Player A, seeing a Strike: > combat ends appear, could keep it in his hand (so as not to pay for it) > or play it (to get rid of it if he has lots of them). Correct. -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@wizards.com) Official VtES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. (*) - Subject to review by Rules Team -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet

LSJ wrote: > > James Coupe wrote: > > In article <342960E4...@sp.zrz.tu-berlin.de>, Thomas Stellmach > > <soch...@sp.zrz.tu-berlin.de> writes > > >A plays disguised weapon/Flamethrower, wulf claws inf. and decapitate > > >inf. . B plays s:ce. > > Player B would, at this point, play his Strike: Combat Ends. You never > > get to play a Decapitate because no-one goes to torpor. he said decapitate inf. that's a strike at +2 hand damage...he can play that if no one's going to torpor. O:) > > With regards to the Wolf Claws, Player A could wait until AFTER player B > > declares his strike to play the Wolf Claws so Player A, seeing a Strike: > > combat ends appear, could keep it in his hand (so as not to pay for it) > > or play it (to get rid of it if he has lots of them). > > Correct. whoa! i thought you had to play wolf claws when you chose your strike? hmmm....i seem to rememeber something about "before the end of the choose strike phase" (i hope that's right)...now i guess i had been assuming that each combatant had a choose strike phase. but if there's just one, in which both combatants choose their strike, then i can go "strike: hands" then they go "strike hands" and then i say "oh yeah, my strike was agg, see my wolf claws?" is this what i can do? i'm scared now... -- + ....salem christ.... + + --k94...@bohm.anu.edu.au-- + +++ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/5848/ +++ +...and an angel will come, with burning eyes like stars...+

salem.... <inm...@bottom.of.article> wrote: : > > With regards to the Wolf Claws, Player A could wait until AFTER player B : > > declares his strike to play the Wolf Claws so Player A, seeing a Strike: : > > combat ends appear, could keep it in his hand (so as not to pay for it) : > > or play it (to get rid of it if he has lots of them). : > : > Correct. : whoa! i thought you had to play wolf claws when you chose your strike? : hmmm....i seem to rememeber something about "before the end of the : choose strike phase" (i hope that's right)...now i guess i had been : assuming that each combatant had a choose strike phase. but if there's : just one, in which both combatants choose their strike, then i can go : "strike: hands" then they go "strike hands" and then i say "oh yeah, my : strike was agg, see my wolf claws?" is this what i can do? : i'm scared now... This is how it has always been. The clarification has been that the wolf claws must be played during the choose strike phase, but may be played after the opposing (presumably blocking) minion has declared its strike. In effect, though not in the same explicit part of the combat sequence, wolf claws works like ammo cards. -Dave Green

> just one, in which both combatants choose their strike, then i can go > "strike: hands" then they go "strike hands" and then i say "oh yeah, my > strike was agg, see my wolf claws?" is this what i can do? > i'm scared now... Yup. And I do it all the time. It's no sense wasting not only the blood that the card costs, but the card as well if your opponent is going to play a S:CE. > +...and an angel will come, with burning eyes like stars...+ This is one of my favorite songs. Sorrow -- I don't want to be alone | I hurt, therefore I am anymore |-------------------------------- I don't want to be anyone | "What are you looking at...? anymore | you never seen anyone try to I don't need a reason to kill myself | commit suicide before?" - Anon ------------------------------------------------------------------------

In article <342BAE...@bottom.of.article>, "salem...." <inm...@bottom.of.article> writes >whoa! i thought you had to play wolf claws when you chose your strike? >hmmm....i seem to rememeber something about "before the end of the >choose strike phase" (i hope that's right)...now i guess i had been >assuming that each combatant had a choose strike phase. but if there's >just one, in which both combatants choose their strike, then i can go >"strike: hands" then they go "strike hands" and then i say "oh yeah, my >strike was agg, see my wolf claws?" is this what i can do? >i'm scared now... Yes, scared is probably correct. But that *is* the right way to interpret it. [ quoted text not captured ]

Chris wrote: > > > just one, in which both combatants choose their strike, then i can go > > "strike: hands" then they go "strike hands" and then i say "oh yeah, my > > strike was agg, see my wolf claws?" is this what i can do? > > i'm scared now... > > Yup. > And I do it all the time. It's no sense wasting not only the blood > that the card costs, but the card as well if your opponent is going > to play a S:CE. oh dear.....my playgroup has always had it that you had to play it before you'd finmioshed declaring _your_ strike, that way blockers (or rush victims) would know whether it would be worth playing a dodge or s:ce etc.....lucky i found this out before the tournament this weekend....hey, i guess this applies to body arsenal, too....i _knew_ i should've planned to play my tzimisce deck.. > > +...and an angel will come, with burning eyes like stars...+ > > This is one of my favorite songs. mine too.... > I don't want to be alone | I hurt, therefore I am > anymore |-------------------------------- > I don't want to be anyone | "What are you looking at...? > anymore | you never seen anyone try to > I don't need a reason to kill myself | commit suicide before?" - Anon > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ lots of positive imagery in this .sig, i see.....i take it you like pornography? i really really wanted to leave it at that, but i felt guilty and thought i had better explain that "pornography" is an album by the cure, from whom the quote in my .sig cometh. (although my quote doesn't come from that album...) + ....salem christ.... + + --k94...@bohm.anu.edu.au-- + +++ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/5848/ +++ [ quoted text not captured ]