James Puzzo#
Tom, please clarify the following:
From the original RTR in November, I thought that it was made quite clear
that the restrictions on Non-Camarillas were the following:
They couldn't become princes.
They couldn't be named Archons or Camarilla Exemp.
They can't call the following votes: praxis seizures, justicar
retribution, command of the harpies, a vote to burn Elysium:
the Arboretum.
By definition, this would exclude Non-Camarillas from calling
Prince/Justicar/IC member only votes.
By inference, I would imagine that they also cannot call Camarilla
Exemp. as it is a Camarilla type vote (but I could be wrong).
NOWHERE in this ruling does it forbid Non-Camarillas from calling votes
which are not expressly forbidden. However, rumors have spread that you
have stated that non-camarillas CAN NOT vote.
Please explain the truth with reference to definitive rulings.
Until you do so, I would urge others to follow a guide similar to the one
below which I have constructed based on the definitions in the 11/10/95 ruling:
(I apologize for anything that I left out or placed incorrectly... feel free
to email a critique...)
Votes Non-Camarilla vampires can call as kindred: (they are, after all,
some of the oldest clans -- their decision to NOT join the Camarilla when
it formed does not detract from their ability to influence their Kindred
in Non-Camarilla matters and to bring such matters to a vote)
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The vote to burn: Anarch Revolt
Ancient Influence
Ancilla Empowerment
Autarkis Persecution
Consanguineous Boon
Consanguineous Condemnation
Conservative Agitation
Cunctator Motion
Domain Challenge
Dramatic Upheaval
High Stakes
Kindred Segregation
Kine Resources Contested
Lextalionis
Peace Treaty
Political Flux
Praxis - Solomon
Regaining the Upper Hand
Reversal of Fortune
Rumors of Gehenna
The vote to burn: Rumors of Gehenna
DS votes:
The vote to burn: Bureaucratic Overload
The vote to steal: Powerbase: Berlin
Banishment
Giovanni Acceptance
Ravnos Acceptance
Votes I'm not sure about because they may or may not be ruled to be Camarilla
specific:
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Camarilla Exemplary
Brujah Justicar
Gangrel Justicar
Malkavian Justicar
Nosferatu Justicar
Toreador Justicar
Tremere Justicar
Ventrue Justicar
The vote to burn: Masquerade Enforcement
Votes Non-Camarilla vampires CAN NOT call: (Since they are not members,
they are not privy to bring Camarilla specific decisions to the fore
other than the question of their own membership. They can, of course,
vote on these matters if they have the necessary influence (votes), but
they can not CALL these votes (clan specific votes for non-camarillas
belong here as well):
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Archon
First Tradition: The Masquerade
Fifth Tradition: Hospitality
Kindred Restructure
Masquerade Enforcement
Parity Shift
Praxis Seizure(Atlanta)
Praxis Seizure(Boston)
Praxis Seizure(Chicago)
Praxis Seizure(Cleveland)
Praxis Seizure(Dallas)
Praxis Seizure(Houston)
Praxis Seizure(Miami)
Praxis Seizure(Seattle)
Praxis Seizure(Washington DC)
Sabbat Threat
The vote to burn: Elysium-The Arboretum
DS votes:
Anathema
Command of the Harpies
Praxis Seizure(Amsterdam)
Praxis Seizure(Barcelona)
Praxis Seizure(Berlin)
Praxis Seizure(Brussels)
Praxis Seizure(Dublin)
Praxis Seizure(Frankfurt)
Praxis Seizure(Geneva)
Praxis Seizure(Glasgow)
Praxis Seizure(London)
Praxis Seizure(Paris)
Praxis Seizure(Rome)
Praxis Seizure(Stockholm)
Praxis Seizure(Venice)
Tradition Upheld
Wrath of the Inner Circle