Muricia's Mighty Morphin Minions Multiply

Deck Name : Muricia's Mighty Morphin Minions Multiply Author : Norman S. Brown Jr Description : It is a weenie deck where all your presence weenies clan impersonate to Gangrel Antitribu to take advantage of Muricia's special. Remember that Clan Impersonation overides Muricia's ability so they all stay as Gangrel Antitribu, so you can use Muricia's ability repeatedly on a Clan impersonated Gangrel Antitribu to give them superior Spiritus Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 7 average: 3.84 ------------------------------------------------------------ 3x Muricia 7 ANI PRE SPI Ahrimane:4 1x Aiyana, The Wolfca 3 pre spi Ahrimane:4 1x Diana Vick 3 dom pre Ventrue:3 1x Jonathan Gursel 3 aus pre !Toreador:4 1x Mazz 3 cel pre Brujah:3 1x Panya, The Wicked 3 cel pre Ishtarri:4 1x Reverend Djoser Jo 3 pre ser Follower :4 1x Smash 3 pot pre !Brujah:4 1x Emerson Wilkershir 2 pre Toreador:3 1x Justine Chen, Inno 2 pre !Toreador:4 Library [90 cards] ------------------------------------------------------------ Action [23] 8x Clan Impersonation 7x Legal Manipulations 8x Vulture's Buffet Action Modifier [12] 6x Bewitching Oration 6x Squirrel Balance Combat [15] 8x Chameleon's Colors 7x Majesty Combat/Action Modifier [6] 6x Swiftness of the Stag Master [16] 4x Effective Management 7x Presence 1x Regent 3x Specialization 1x Spontaneous Power Political Action [10] 1x Cardinal Benediction 9x Kine Resources Contested Retainer [8] 8x D'habi Revenant Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Thu May 31 13:18:45 2007] Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown, Jr XZealot Archon of the Swamp

its a shame that Frederick the Weak cannot be in this deck ;) XZealot ha escrito: [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] Given that CIan Impersonation costs 2 blood and Muricia's special costs 1 blood per level of Spiritus, maybe you want a couple Hungry Coyotes? witness1

On Thu, 31 May 2007, XZealot wrote: > Deck Name : Muricia's Mighty Morphin Minions Multiply > Author : Norman S. Brown Jr > Description : > It is a weenie deck where all your presence weenies clan impersonate > to Gangrel Antitribu to take advantage of Muricia's special. Remember > that Clan Impersonation overides Muricia's ability so they all stay as > Gangrel Antitribu, so you can use Muricia's ability repeatedly on a > Clan impersonated Gangrel Antitribu to give them superior Spiritus Norm, I'm extremely pleased to have inspired this. Nice job! Also note, that there's no prohibition from a vampire playing Clan Impersonation to choose the clan he or she already represents. You could have Una Clan Impersonate to !Gangrel, for example. > Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 7 average: 3.84 > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > 3x Muricia 7 ANI PRE SPI Ahrimane:4 > 1x Aiyana, The Wolfca 3 pre spi Ahrimane:4 Double heh. Poor Aiyana will be so confused! > 1x Diana Vick 3 dom pre Ventrue:3 > 1x Jonathan Gursel 3 aus pre !Toreador:4 > 1x Mazz 3 cel pre Brujah:3 > 1x Panya, The Wicked 3 cel pre Ishtarri:4 > 1x Reverend Djoser Jo 3 pre ser Follower :4 > 1x Smash 3 pot pre !Brujah:4 > 1x Emerson Wilkershir 2 pre Toreador:3 > 1x Justine Chen, Inno 2 pre !Toreador:4 > > > Library [90 cards] > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Action [23] > 8x Clan Impersonation > 7x Legal Manipulations > 8x Vulture's Buffet I love the Vulture's Buffet/D'habi tech. > Action Modifier [12] > 6x Bewitching Oration > 6x Squirrel Balance > > Combat [15] > 8x Chameleon's Colors > 7x Majesty Maybe some Staredown in case you're blocked hunting? > Combat/Action Modifier [6] > 6x Swiftness of the Stag > > Master [16] > 4x Effective Management > 7x Presence > 1x Regent > 3x Specialization Tap Specialization to discard 2 Specialization. Priceless. > 1x Spontaneous Power This doesn't seem needed. How about a Dia de los Muertos, Hungry Coyote (should work with Vulture) or Powerbase: Madrid? Or heck, some Blood Dolls! > Political Action [10] > 1x Cardinal Benediction > 9x Kine Resources Contested I'm not 100% sold on the vote angle, since you only have 2 title grabs and there isn't a ton of space for it. Just bleeding should be okay or else try to work in more permanent titles, I guess. > Retainer [8] > 8x D'habi Revenant I never thought I'd actually like a weenie presence deck. Great job! Matt Morgan

> > 8x Vulture's Buffet > > I love the Vulture's Buffet/D'habi tech. It's not new. D'habi revenants see play in any and all decks that rely on burning retainers or removing them from the game. Mata Hari + War Ghouls Vultures Buffet Corrupt Construction etc etc --> J grail_pbem "at" hotmail.com

> Political Action [10] > 1x Cardinal Benediction > 9x Kine Resources Contested I think this deck would be better losing the Vote angle and just going for dedicated bleed. Without vote push you're relying on the table allowing your votes to succeed which will more often than not result in damage hitting where you don't want it to. Removing the vote angle, you would have 16 cards to make into better choices. Some Aires, more Legal Manips, Entrancements, Speak with Spirits etc. I also think that the 8x Chameleon's Colors could be better cards considering it is only useable at long range. [ quoted text not captured ]

On May 31, 7:36 pm, J <grai...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Political Action [10] > > 1x Cardinal Benediction > > 9x Kine Resources Contested > > I think this deck would be better losing the Vote angle and just going > for dedicated bleed. Without vote push you're relying on the table > allowing your votes to succeed which will more often than not result > in damage hitting where you don't want it to. Ahem... 6x Bewitching Oration > Removing the vote angle, you would have 16 cards to make into better > choices. Some Aires, more Legal Manips, Entrancements, Speak with > Spirits etc. Certainly, that is an option. For me, I like to have a fall back option after I untap with Majesty. > I also think that the 8x Chameleon's Colors could be better cards > considering it is only useable at long range. or it's a maneuver or its a press which in non-combat heavy metagames is better than gambling that you will only take hands for 1. [ quoted text not captured ]

I am always leery of decks that start with, "So, my vampire Clan Impersonates. . . ," especially when you are functionally doing two of them to get each vampire into the right state of being :-). I like the way you are trying to use Muricia and Spiritus, but I would agree with other commentators that without a lot of vote push you could end up wasting your political actions when you could be bleeding your prey with more Legals or Aires at decent stealth. You could even toss in a few Marijava Ghouls for extra stealth on the Legals. The pool gain tech is neat, but I don't see any Blood Dolls, or other methods for getting blood on your vamps. A lot of your actions cost blood and there is no way other than hunting to get some back. Maybe a couple of Engling Furys? You could also drop the Regent, an Effective, and a Presence and get three Blood Dolls, which gives you tactical flexibility with your pool. I look forward to hearing how the deck works. Cheers, John

[ quoted text not captured ] 8x Vulture's Buffet 8x D'habi Revenant I missed them the first time, too. Vulture's Buffet is also a hunt action, so it works with Hungry Coyote, if there's room for it. witness1

On Jun 1, 7:17 am, demonturtle <crankytur...@gmail.com> wrote: > I am always leery of decks that start with, "So, my vampire Clan > Impersonates. . . ," especially when you are functionally doing two of > them to get each vampire into the right state of being :-). Yes, I agree, and barring Masika, I generally never go for Clan Impersonation. I think there are some synergies here that warrent examination. >I like > the way you are trying to use Muricia and Spiritus, but I would agree > with other commentators that without a lot of vote push you could end > up wasting your political actions when you could be bleeding your prey > with more Legals or Aires at decent stealth. You could even toss in a > few Marijava Ghouls for extra stealth on the Legals. This is a good alternative to the deck as it stands now. > The pool gain tech is neat, but I don't see any Blood Dolls, or other > methods for getting blood on your vamps. A lot of your actions cost > blood and there is no way other than hunting to get some back. Clan Impersonation + Muricia's special is going to burn 3 blood off of a vampire. This will leave most of the vampires (3 caps) empty. You are then required to hunt. Vulture's Buffet is a hunt action by card text. So you are going to recoup that loss. > Maybe > a couple of Engling Furys? You could also drop the Regent, an > Effective, and a Presence and get three Blood Dolls, which gives you > tactical flexibility with your pool. It sure does, but superior presence is better than a blood doll for this deck as it gains pool with the legal manipulations. > I look forward to hearing how the deck works. See you on JOL. [ quoted text not captured ]

XZealot a écrit : > Deck Name : Muricia's Mighty Morphin Minions Multiply > Author : Norman S. Brown Jr > Description : > It is a weenie deck where all your presence weenies clan impersonate > to Gangrel Antitribu to take advantage of Muricia's special. very nice deck ! advice for pool gain => media influence, so all untapped vamps each gain one blood from the blood bank :)

[ quoted text not captured ] Or they could just hunt using Vultures Buffet while giving me pool in the process. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Jun 1, 10:25 am, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote: > On Jun 1, 7:17 am, demonturtle <crankytur...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I am always leery of decks that start with, "So, my vampire Clan > > Impersonates. . . ," especially when you are functionally doing two of > > them to get each vampire into the right state of being :-). > > Yes, I agree, and barring Masika, I generally never go for Clan > Impersonation. I think there are some synergies here that warrent > examination. Indeed. I like what you are trying to do with the deck. There are some angles in this deck that warrant trying it out, certainly. > >I like > > the way you are trying to use Muricia and Spiritus, but I would agree > > with other commentators that without a lot of vote push you could end > > up wasting your political actions when you could be bleeding your prey > > with more Legals or Aires at decent stealth. You could even toss in a > > few Marijava Ghouls for extra stealth on the Legals. > > This is a good alternative to the deck as it stands now. I wonder if the Media Influence suggestion below might also help? Hmmm. . . . > > The pool gain tech is neat, but I don't see any Blood Dolls, or other > > methods for getting blood on your vamps. A lot of your actions cost > > blood and there is no way other than hunting to get some back. > > Clan Impersonation + Muricia's special is going to burn 3 blood off of > a vampire. This will leave most of the vampires (3 caps) empty. You > are then required to hunt. Vulture's Buffet is a hunt action by card > text. So you are going to recoup that loss. Righto. I see where you're going with that. I would just be concerned about blocky decks making you sad on the hunts. The advantage to Blood Doll is that it can't be stopped, except when placed on your vamp. > > Maybe > > a couple of Engling Furys? You could also drop the Regent, an > > Effective, and a Presence and get three Blood Dolls, which gives you > > tactical flexibility with your pool. > > It sure does, but superior presence is better than a blood doll for > this deck as it gains pool with the legal manipulations. Right. You definitely have the pool gain angle covered. I would just be concerned about keeping your little vamps in blood, and Blood Doll gives you the flexibility to utilize and control your pool in different ways. > > I look forward to hearing how the deck works. > > See you on JOL. Soon! I signed up, and once I am no longer on dial-up in a week or so I hope to start playing on JOL. I have a Eurayle allies deck and a POT/THAU deck put together. . . . Cheers, John

XZealot a écrit : > On Jun 1, 10:05 am, reyda <true_re...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>XZealot a écrit : >> >> >>>Deck Name : Muricia's Mighty Morphin Minions Multiply >>>Author : Norman S. Brown Jr >>>Description : >>>It is a weenie deck where all your presence weenies clan impersonate >>>to Gangrel Antitribu to take advantage of Muricia's special. >> >>very nice deck ! >> >>advice for pool gain => media influence, so all untapped vamps each gain >>one blood from the blood bank :) > > > Or they could just hunt using Vultures Buffet while giving me pool in > the process. of course this is nice but there are only 8 vulture, which require you to remove a revenant. Sometime you don't have the revenant in the ash heap and need some blood. A single media influence gives blood to everyone. So it's still a nice complement.

[ quoted text not captured ] Look! There are D'habis with burn clauses. ....but you are right. They would make a nice addition.

[ quoted text not captured ] I wonder how came this idea of revenant/vulture to your creative mind ? :)

> > I think this deck would be better losing the Vote angle and just going > > for dedicated bleed. Without vote push you're relying on the table > > allowing your votes to succeed which will more often than not result > > in damage hitting where you don't want it to. > > Ahem... 6x Bewitching Oration You misunderstand. I saw the Bewitches, but without them you have no titles, unless you get your 1 Cardinal Benediction off. So, you're asking the table to pass your votes. And a single Bewtich only generates 4 votes + 1 for the action for 5 votes. Often not enough. As such, with 16 cards for votes (including the push), it's too big an investment for possibly little or no return. --> J

[ quoted text not captured ] Did you invent it? [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] nope but i saw a french player use it not long after the lob expansion came out. i was wondering if he did not take the idea from one of your crazy decks :)

On May 31, 12:29 pm, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote: > It is a weenie deck where all your presence weenies clan impersonate > to Gangrel Antitribu to take advantage of Muricia's special. Remember > that Clan Impersonation overides Muricia's ability so they all stay as > Gangrel Antitribu, so you can use Muricia's ability repeatedly on a > Clan impersonated Gangrel Antitribu to give them superior Spiritus > How does that work? As both cards are still in play presumably, one would think that the latest to generate an effect would take precedence. Is there some wacky ruling on this? Im on cold meds so dont ask me to search for it. G

On Jun 4, 2:18 pm, talonz <talon...@yahoo.ca> wrote: > On May 31, 12:29 pm, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote: > > > It is a weenie deck where all your presence weenies clan impersonate > > to Gangrel Antitribu to take advantage of Muricia's special. Remember > > that Clan Impersonation overides Muricia's ability so they all stay as > > Gangrel Antitribu, so you can use Muricia's ability repeatedly on a > > Clan impersonated Gangrel Antitribu to give them superior Spiritus > > How does that work? As both cards are still in play presumably, one > would think that the latest to generate an effect would take > precedence. Muricia's ability grants the discipline, but the Clan Impersonation overrides the clan change.

[ quoted text not captured ] Both Muricia and clan impersonation are cards in play. Whichever card generates the last effect would take precedence one would think. Ah well, monger allowed me to find some related rulings. Brain has now filed it under 'those wacky vtes rulings'. G

talonz wrote: > On Jun 4, 12:25 pm, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote: >> On Jun 4, 2:18 pm, talonz <talon...@yahoo.ca> wrote: >> >>> On May 31, 12:29 pm, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote: >>>> It is a weenie deck where all your presence weenies clan impersonate >>>> to Gangrel Antitribu to take advantage of Muricia's special. Remember >>>> that Clan Impersonation overides Muricia's ability so they all stay as >>>> Gangrel Antitribu, so you can use Muricia's ability repeatedly on a >>>> Clan impersonated Gangrel Antitribu to give them superior Spiritus >>> How does that work? As both cards are still in play presumably, one >>> would think that the latest to generate an effect would take >>> precedence. >> Muricia's ability grants the discipline, but the Clan Impersonation >> overrides the clan change. > > Both Muricia and clan impersonation are cards in play. Whichever card > generates the last effect would take precedence one would think. Muricia's being in play doesn't cloak the vampire's clan. That's not an effect of her being in play. Her special allows the ability to take make some activity. The activity's effect (at resolution, not from card-in-play) is what changes the clan. If she leaves play, the vampires that used her special would still receive the benefit of that change.

On Jun 4, 3:18 pm, talonz <talon...@yahoo.ca> wrote: > On May 31, 12:29 pm, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote: > > > It is a weenie deck where all your presence weenies clan impersonate > > to Gangrel Antitribu to take advantage of Muricia's special. Remember > > that Clan Impersonation overides Muricia's ability so they all stay as > > Gangrel Antitribu, so you can use Muricia's ability repeatedly on a > > Clan impersonated Gangrel Antitribu to give them superior Spiritus > > How does that work? As both cards are still in play presumably, one > would think that the latest to generate an effect would take > precedence. Making use of Muricia's ability does not put a card in play. Muricia remaining in play has no effect on the granted discipline or clan. > Is there some wacky ruling on this? Im on cold meds so dont ask me to > search for it. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_frm/thread/790d83fa10dcc358/f74bbb948426e77a#f74bbb948426e77a