DUMB but fundamental question

I should know this but it keeps coming up in our games... If i'm being bled and i deflect the bleed to another Meth (and don't declare a block) then the bleed gets deflected back to me, have I forgone my chance to block? I haven't decided not to make any further attempts to block. When do I actually declare this? thanks all for clarification, jds Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

"Bindusara" <bind...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:90j6d0$ahd$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... > I should know this but it keeps coming up in our games... > > If i'm being bled and i deflect the bleed to another Meth (and don't > declare a block) then the bleed gets deflected back to me, have I > forgone my chance to block? Not necessarily. When the acting Methuselah declares the bleed you may deflect it immediately OR you may decline to block and then deflect it. The latter is usually done in an attempt to trick the acting Methuselah into adding a bleed increasing modifier before you deflect the bleed. > I haven't decided not to make any further > attempts to block. When do I actually declare this? If you don't decline to block you may make a block attempt if the bleed is bounced back to you. -Robert Robert Goudie Chairman, V:EKN rrgo...@earthlink.net

In article <uq9X5.38630$II2.3...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, [ quoted text not captured ] Can you agree to take a bleed but then when they add a modifier on decide to block or does the agreeing to take the bleed imply that you declined to block? [ quoted text not captured ]

>If you don't decline to block you may make a block attempt if the bleed is >bounced back to you. Just to double-check: You are being bled, decline to block and then deflect it. The Methusaleh who is now being bled deflects it back to you. Do you now have another (new) chance to block? I'm pretty sure you do, but I just want to make sure. Halcyan 2

"Halcyan 2" <halc...@aol.com> wrote in message news:20001205184433...@ng-mi1.aol.com... [ quoted text not captured ] No. Once you decline to block you cannot change your mind just because the bleed is deflected back to you. The decision not to block is final. If you want to reserve the option to block, you should deflect the bleed before choosing to block or not block the action. Robert Goudie Chairman, V:EKN rob...@vtesinla.org

<theve...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:90juni$pp$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... > Can you agree to take a bleed but then when they add a modifier on > decide to block or does the agreeing to take the bleed imply that you > declined to block? You can agree to take the bleed (which is akin to saying "I decline to block"). That's how I'd rule a dispute if it came up during a tournament. Whenever someone responds to "So and So bleeds for 1" with "I'll take it" or "give me the total" that is meant to be a declination of blocks. This *has* come up before though. A smart player will demand that other methuselahs respond with official terms. Player A: "Roreca bleeds for 1." Player B: "OK, what's the total?" Player A: "So, you are declining to block?" That's the way to clarify it. It is theoretically possible that player B is just trying to ascertain whether player A has a laptop on her, etc. Its best to get people to use game terms to avoid misunderstandings. -- [ quoted text not captured ]

Robert Goudie wrote : >A smart player will demand that other methuselahs >respond with official terms. Good advice. This kept me from going to jail once. Wheeyoo. Mike Ooi Insane Prince of Houston, TX Home of the functionally-named Houston Texans NFL Team sh...@texas.net

"Robert Goudie" <rrgo...@earthlink.net> wrote: > "Halcyan 2" <halc...@aol.com> wrote in message > > >If you don't decline to block you may make a block attempt if the > > >bleed is > > >bounced back to you. > > > > Just to double-check: > > > > You are being bled, decline to block and then deflect it. The > > Methusaleh who is now being bled deflects it back to you. Do you > > now have another (new) chance to block? I'm pretty sure you do, > > but I just want to make sure. > > No. Once you decline to block you cannot change your mind just > because the bleed is deflected back to you. The decision not to > block is final. If you want to reserve the option to block, you > should deflect the bleed before choosing to block or not block the > action. Actually, yes. Changing the target of an action results in a new "choose blockers" opportunity. [RTR 30-JUN-1997] This was explicit in the Jyhad version of Deflection, but has since been moved to the realm of "rulings". A need for this ruling can be seen in the following scenario: Alex, Bela, and Cleo are seated in that order around the table. Alex controls Anneke, Bela controls Brachah, and Cleo controls Cameron. Brachah bleeds Cleo. Cleo declines to block and Alex declines to block with Anneke. Brachah plays Aire of Elation to make the bleed +2. Cameron plays Deflection to make Brachah bleed Alex. Alex can now have Anneke attempt to block the action. Similarly with the bounce-back situation described above. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:90ledh$4ip$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... > "Robert Goudie" <rrgo...@earthlink.net> wrote: [clip] > > No. Once you decline to block you cannot change your mind just > > because the bleed is deflected back to you. The decision not to > > block is final. If you want to reserve the option to block, you > > should deflect the bleed before choosing to block or not block the > > action. > > Actually, yes. > > Changing the target of an action results in a new "choose blockers" > opportunity. [RTR 30-JUN-1997] This was explicit in the Jyhad > version of Deflection, but has since been moved to the realm of > "rulings". Eh. You learn something new everyday. [ quoted text not captured ]