Two question (LSJ)

Hy, some questions: #1 Can Vampires in torpor use their special abilities ? Say, a torporous Quentin may burn a blood to cancel a vampire's vote(s)? #2 Can leather jacket be used outside combat? Say, Vamp A vs Minion B, range is close. Vamp A ends combat with a superior catatonic fear; can minion B burn his leather jacket to prevent the damage (which occours *after* combat) from CF ? Thanks in advance Emiliano, Prince of Rome

Tetragrammaton wrote: > > Hy, some questions: > > #1 > Can Vampires in torpor use their special abilities ? Yes. > Say, a torporous Quentin may burn a blood to cancel > a vampire's vote(s)? Yes. > #2 > Can leather jacket be used outside combat? If the damage from the opposing minion's strike is done outside of combat, yeah. > Say, > Vamp A vs Minion B, range is close. > Vamp A ends combat with a superior > catatonic fear; can minion B burn his leather jacket > to prevent the damage (which occours *after* combat) from CF ? Yes. [LSJ 27-NOV-2000] -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

>> #2 >> Can leather jacket be used outside combat? > >If the damage from the opposing minion's strike is done outside of combat, >yeah. > >> Say, >> Vamp A vs Minion B, range is close. >> Vamp A ends combat with a superior >> catatonic fear; can minion B burn his leather jacket >> to prevent the damage (which occours *after* combat) from CF ? > >Yes. [LSJ 27-NOV-2000] Aha! So there *IS* a way to prevent damage outside of combat. Though there are a lot of restrictions on it of course but still... Halcyan 2

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >Tetragrammaton wrote: >> >> Hy, some questions: >> >> #1 >> Can Vampires in torpor use their special abilities ? > >Yes. What is the rationale for this? Why would a vampire in torpor be able to do anything? (Or am I thinking of being in torpor as being closer to dead than it really is?) [snip] Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices.

Gene Wirchenko wrote: > > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > >Tetragrammaton wrote: > >> > >> Hy, some questions: > >> > >> #1 > >> Can Vampires in torpor use their special abilities ? > > > >Yes. > > What is the rationale for this? Why would a vampire in torpor be > able to do anything? (Or am I thinking of being in torpor as being > closer to dead than it really is?) Card text. Besides, if Ankla Hotep's card text didn't apply in torpor, it wouldn't be very interesting. [ quoted text not captured ]

ge...@mail.ocis.net (Gene Wirchenko) writes: > >> Can Vampires in torpor use their special abilities ? > > > >Yes. > > What is the rationale for this? Why would a vampire in torpor be > able to do anything? (Or am I thinking of being in torpor as being > closer to dead than it really is?) The rationale would be reading the rules. Why the designers, originally, didn't limit it in this fashion is a question you would have to ask them. The rules do not prevent a vampire in torpor from using their ability as they currently stand. There has been no pressing need - from abuse of the situation - to alter this with a rules change at any point, and it is rare for rules to be altered "just because", or somesuch. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D EBD690ECD7A1F What's the meaning when you speak with so much feeling? B457CA213D7E6 Is it over when you're sober? Is it junk? 68C3695D623D5D

James Coupe <jr...@srcf.ucam.org> wrote: >ge...@mail.ocis.net (Gene Wirchenko) writes: > >> >> Can Vampires in torpor use their special abilities ? >> > >> >Yes. >> >> What is the rationale for this? Why would a vampire in torpor be >> able to do anything? (Or am I thinking of being in torpor as being >> closer to dead than it really is?) > >The rationale would be reading the rules. Why the designers, No, that doesn't tell why the rules are that way. >originally, didn't limit it in this fashion is a question you would >have to ask them. The rationale is the why. In an LSJ thread, I thought this appropriate. >The rules do not prevent a vampire in torpor from using their ability >as they currently stand. There has been no pressing need - from abuse >of the situation - to alter this with a rules change at any point, and >it is rare for rules to be altered "just because", or somesuch. I'm asking why it is this way, not that it is wrong or needs to be changed or whatever. It never occurred to try to use the special ability of a vampire in torpor. It wasn't obvious to me, and apparently, not to others either as I haven't seen it done by others. [ quoted text not captured ]

Gene Wirchenko wrote: > I'm asking why it is this way, not that it is wrong or needs to > be changed or whatever. It never occurred to try to use the special > ability of a vampire in torpor. It wasn't obvious to me, and > apparently, not to others either as I haven't seen it done by others. It is this way because it is more convenient to write "ready" when that is required than to write "even in torpor" (or "ready or not") when being ready is not required. [ quoted text not captured ]

In message <3bb7dca1...@news.ocis.net>, Gene Wirchenko <ge...@mail.ocis.net> writes >>> What is the rationale for this? Why would a vampire in torpor be >>> able to do anything? (Or am I thinking of being in torpor as being >>> closer to dead than it really is?) >> >>The rationale would be reading the rules. Why the designers, > > No, that doesn't tell why the rules are that way. It would, however, be a rationale for the ruling given. >>originally, didn't limit it in this fashion is a question you would >>have to ask them. > > The rationale is the why. In an LSJ thread, I thought this >appropriate. LSJ did not, however, create the game. >>The rules do not prevent a vampire in torpor from using their ability >>as they currently stand. There has been no pressing need - from abuse >>of the situation - to alter this with a rules change at any point, and >>it is rare for rules to be altered "just because", or somesuch. > > I'm asking why it is this way, Because the original designers did it like that. Contact them for more specific info. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D When all the world seemed to sleep, why, why did you go? EBD690ECD7A1F Was it me? Was it you? B457CA213D7E6 Questions in a world of blue. 68C3695D623D5D