rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

rules help please

4 messages from 4 participants · 05 June 1997 – 08 June 1997
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pf2...@bolton.ac.uk

I would like to ask some questions of you, yes you there in the jam trousers oh errrm no. aaahh Ok there are lots of things confusing me about V:tes/Jyhad that I can't figure out, and was hoping that you all might want to give me a hand since you all seem to know every strange ruling and correction ever made by anyone in the world ever..... right here goes #Talbots chainsaw# I'm confused a little (well maybe a lot but anyway) by the wording on this card it says "During your untap phase, if the bearer is ready, you must inflict 3 damage on 1 ready minion you control, which may be the bearer itself." Does that mean if the bearer is ready at the start of or after the untap phase ? and by ready it means untapped and controlled right ? #Sabbat# I can't figure out a reason why sabbat vampire would be allowed to vote in anything that evolves camarilla vampire so are sabbat allowed to vote when say someone wants to become a prince of somewhere ? Also (ooooh I must be sounding really stooooopid by now) if someone plays a card that affects a specific clan say Gangrel, would this affect the Gangrel antitribue also ? #Inner Circle using Justicar/Prince cards# Can a IC member us a car that say can only be played by a ready justicar or prince ? I would have thought so as when most of these cards were printed there was no IC vampires and it seams strange that they shouldn't be allowed to do what ever they like after all who's going to argue with them. #Ready means ?# Ready means controlled and untapped doesn't it ? #Getting own title again# If Javier Montoya who is the Prince of Barcelona was to call a vote of Praxis Seizure: Barcelona, and was successful would this increase his capacity by 1 as stated on the card, even thought he was already the prince ? If so it seams a little twisted. #Protracted investment and things# On the Protracted Investment card it says "You may use a master phase action to move 1 blood from this card to your blood pool." Does this mean that instead of playing a master card you move 1 blood or does it mean during your master phase ? Well that's my big list of things I should probably know already I hope you lot have answers to the questions as i probably have many more that I dont remember at the moment :O) Thanks in advance Piers

L. Scott Johnson

pf2...@bolton.ac.uk wrote: > #Talbots chainsaw# > I'm confused a little (well maybe a lot but anyway) by the wording on > this card it says > > "During your untap phase, if the bearer is ready, you must > inflict 3 damage on 1 ready minion you control, which may be > the bearer itself." > > Does that mean if the bearer is ready at the start of or after the untap > phase ? and by ready it means untapped and controlled right ? "During" means at any point in the phase. The untap phase is special in that the first thing that ever happens in that phase is: you untap all of your cards. (If something needs to check for being tapped at the beginning of your turn, it will say "beginning of your turn" or "beginning of your untap phase" not "during your untap phase"). "Ready" means "controlled and not in Torpor" - it has nothing to do with being tapped. So, (during your untap phase) if the bearer is not in torpor, then (during your untap phase) one of your ready minions takes three damage. > #Sabbat# > I can't figure out a reason why sabbat vampire would be allowed to vote > in anything that evolves camarilla vampire so are sabbat allowed to vote > when say someone wants to become a prince of somewhere ? The rules are simpler that way, and it's just a card game. > Also (ooooh I must be sounding really stooooopid by now) if someone > plays a card that affects a specific clan say Gangrel, would this affect > the Gangrel antitribue also ? No. This is explained in the "Brotherhood Among the Sabbat" section of the Sabbat rules sheet. > #Inner Circle using Justicar/Prince cards# > Can a IC member us a car that say can only be played by a ready > justicar or prince ? I would have thought so as when most of these cards > were printed there was no IC vampires and it seams strange that they > shouldn't be allowed to do what ever they like after all who's going > to argue with them. Since IC members are neither Princes nor Justicars, they cannot use cards that can only be used by Princes of Justicars. > #Ready means ?# > Ready means controlled and untapped doesn't it ? "ready" means "controlled and not in Torpor". > #Getting own title again# > If Javier Montoya who is the Prince of Barcelona was to call a vote of > Praxis Seizure: Barcelona, and was successful would this increase his > capacity by 1 as stated on the card, even thought he was already the > prince ? If so it seams a little twisted. Yes. Twisted or no, it is right there in the card text. > #Protracted investment and things# > On the Protracted Investment card it says > > "You may use a master phase action to move 1 blood from > this card to your blood pool." > > Does this mean that instead of playing a master card you move 1 blood > or does it mean during your master phase ? instead of. "Master Phase Actions" are new in VtES (Jyhad didn;t have them). You get only one Master Phase Action during your master phase. You can use this action to play a master card. Some cards (like the investments) allow you to spend this action doing other things. -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@regency.wizards.com) Official VtES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. (*) - Subject to review by Rules Team

JlB1925

>Does that mean if the bearer is ready at the start of or after the untap > phase ? and by ready it means untapped and controlled right ? Well, no. The strict definition of ready is controlled and not in torpor. Thus, your first question is pointless because there's no way someone can become ready during the untap phase. > I can't figure out a reason why sabbat vampire would be allowed to vote > in anything that evolves camarilla vampire so are sabbat allowed to vote > when say someone wants to become a prince of somewhere ? Yes. The Sabbat are allowed to vote in anything unless it's a Closed Session. Just pretend this is a completely different universe from the RPG and nothing applies (you know, like Jurassic Park the book, Jurassic Park the movie and the Lost World). > Also (ooooh I must be sounding really stooooopid by now) if someone > plays a card that affects a specific clan say Gangrel, would this affect > the Gangrel antitribue also ? Nope. The Gangrel antitribu are a separate clan altogether, and the card played would have to state Gangrel antitribu. >#Inner Circle using Justicar/Prince cards# > Can a IC member us a car that say can only be played by a ready > justicar or prince ? I would have thought so as when most of these cards > were printed there was no IC vampires and it seams strange that they > shouldn't be allowed to do what ever they like after all who's going > to argue with them. I believe they made errata on most of the cards that say Justicar/Prince. Check the rulings list, it was posted just a while ago and should still be around. It's easy to argue with the IC. All you need is a healthy dose of deathwishes. >If Javier Montoya who is the Prince of Barcelona was to call a vote of > Praxis Seizure: Barcelona, and was successful would this increase his > capacity by 1 as stated on the card, even thought he was already the > prince ? If so it seams a little twisted. Yes. He loses his original title as Prince of Barcelona and then gains the title Prince of Barcelona and the effect granted by the Praxis Seizure. (Much scarier with Paris and Francois....) > Does this mean that instead of playing a master card you move 1 blood > or does it mean during your master phase ? The concept of MPAs didn't show up until V:TES (possibly not even then, I'm not sure). Basically, during your master phase you get a certain number (normally one) of master phase actions. Each action can be used to play a master card or for any other effect allowed. Anything that says it gives you the ability to play an extra master card now gives an extra master phase action during the master phase. So, instead of playing a master, you would take one blood from the Protracted. --- Liam Burke "The Democrats can't pull it together if we rip them apart." -overheard

Bernard M. Bresnahan

My thoughts of the V:TES game are not so much that the Blood Pool represents "Blood", instead it represents your "Influence" in the game world. So if I'm hunting for an assault rifle I don't cut my wrist and wallah! There's an A. Rifle.. Noo, I spend 4 pool to pull strings at the local marine base to get past the security, have a phony permit made, and spend some bribe money to keep things quiet. Takes quite a bit of influence. Funny how V:TES is more of a mafia game in my head. -- Bernie