[LSJ] Undead Persistance

I researched Google and found that you can't play another UP if your opponent successfully presses to end combat. Can you play a Telepathic Tracking to continue? How about another UP and a Telepathic Tracking to continue combat? How about playing a Psyche when combat is ending due to agg damage? or a UP and a Psyche at superior? How do these cards work in combonation? -- Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown, Jr. XZealot Archon of the Swamp

XZealot wrote: > I researched Google and found that you can't play another UP if your > opponent successfully presses to end combat. Note: all references to UP are to the non-superior version: Correct. UP requires you to be on your way to torpor, which you are not, by the previously played UP. > Can you play a Telepathic Tracking to continue? Yes. > How about another UP and a Telepathic Tracking to > continue combat? Can't play "another UP", as before. > How about playing a Psyche when combat is ending due to agg damage? No. Psyche! requires both minions to be ready. Combat is ending "due to agg damage" means that one of the combatants is no longer ready (which is how agg damage ends combat). > or a UP and a Psyche at superior? Yes. The UP'ed vampire will not fall into torpor from UP's effect until after the Psyche! combat. But, and I'd overlooked this before, the Psyche! combat ends as soon as it begins, since the formerly-UPed vampire is no longer being propped up by the UP. Since he's no longer ready, combat ends (unless he plays another UP for this new combat, of course). Pass the aspirin. :-) -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

> > Can you play a Telepathic Tracking to continue? > > Yes. > > > How about another UP and a Telepathic Tracking to > > continue combat? > > Can't play "another UP", as before. > > > How about playing a Psyche when combat is ending due to agg damage? > > No. Psyche! requires both minions to be ready. > Combat is ending "due to agg damage" means that one of the combatants > is no longer ready (which is how agg damage ends combat). > > > or a UP and a Psyche at superior? > > Yes. The UP'ed vampire will not fall into torpor from UP's effect > until after the Psyche! combat. But, and I'd overlooked this before, > the Psyche! combat ends as soon as it begins, since the formerly-UPed > vampire is no longer being propped up by the UP. Since he's no longer > ready, combat ends (unless he plays another UP for this new combat, > of course). > > Pass the aspirin. :-) So what you are saying is that to use UP in conjuction with superior Psyche! You must play UP after the press phase to be able to play the Psyche. Once the new combat starts you must immediately play another UP to keep from going to torpor because it is a new combat and the old UPs only affected the last combat. Great! [ quoted text not captured ]

XZealot wrote: >>>or a UP and a Psyche at superior? >> >>Yes. The UP'ed vampire will not fall into torpor from UP's effect >>until after the Psyche! combat. But, and I'd overlooked this before, >>the Psyche! combat ends as soon as it begins, since the formerly-UPed >>vampire is no longer being propped up by the UP. Since he's no longer >>ready, combat ends (unless he plays another UP for this new combat, >>of course). >> >>Pass the aspirin. :-) > > > So what you are saying is that to use UP in conjuction with superior Psyche! > You must play UP after the press phase to be able to play the Psyche. Once > the new combat starts you must immediately play another UP to keep from > going to torpor because it is a new combat and the old UPs only affected the > last combat. You can play the UP at any (appropriate) time. Then, when combat ends (possible much later), play Psyche! Then play an UP in the new combat to remain propped up. [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3E4D5147...@white-wolf.com... > XZealot wrote: > > I researched Google and found that you can't play another UP if your > > opponent successfully presses to end combat. > > Note: all references to UP are to the non-superior version: > > Correct. UP requires you to be on your way to torpor, which you are not, > by the previously played UP. > > > Can you play a Telepathic Tracking to continue? > > Yes. > > > How about another UP and a Telepathic Tracking to > > continue combat? > > Can't play "another UP", as before. > > > How about playing a Psyche when combat is ending due to agg damage? > > No. Psyche! requires both minions to be ready. > Combat is ending "due to agg damage" means that one of the combatants > is no longer ready (which is how agg damage ends combat). > > > or a UP and a Psyche at superior? > > Yes. The UP'ed vampire will not fall into torpor from UP's effect > until after the Psyche! combat. But, and I'd overlooked this before, > the Psyche! combat ends as soon as it begins, since the formerly-UPed > vampire is no longer being propped up by the UP. Since he's no longer > ready, combat ends (unless he plays another UP for this new combat, > of course). > > Pass the aspirin. :-) You know that Stanislava is the only vampire in the game that can play this combo. [ quoted text not captured ]

XZealot wrote: > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message >>Pass the aspirin. :-) > > You know that Stanislava is the only vampire in the game that can play this > combo. Well, well. Small favors! :-) [ quoted text not captured ]

>> > or a UP and a Psyche at superior? >> >> Yes. The UP'ed vampire will not fall into torpor from UP's effect >> until after the Psyche! combat. But, and I'd overlooked this before, >> the Psyche! combat ends as soon as it begins, since the formerly-UPed >> vampire is no longer being propped up by the UP. Since he's no longer >> ready, combat ends (unless he plays another UP for this new combat, >> of course). >> >> Pass the aspirin. :-) > >You know that Stanislava is the only vampire in the game that can play this >combo. > ?? By my count there are no less than 5 vampires with CEL FOR. Stanislava, Gwendolyn, Hrothulf, Maxwell, and Tegyrius. Halcyan 2

"Halcyan 2" <halc...@aol.com> wrote in message news:20030214155648...@mb-bd.aol.com... [ quoted text not captured ] My bad there are like 17 vampires with CEL for/FOR. I had the Gangrel specified in my search [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3E4D550E...@white-wolf.com... > XZealot wrote: > >>>or a UP and a Psyche at superior? > >> > >>Yes. The UP'ed vampire will not fall into torpor from UP's effect > >>until after the Psyche! combat. But, and I'd overlooked this before, > >>the Psyche! combat ends as soon as it begins, since the formerly-UPed > >>vampire is no longer being propped up by the UP. Since he's no longer > >>ready, combat ends (unless he plays another UP for this new combat, > >>of course). > >> > >>Pass the aspirin. :-) > > > > > > So what you are saying is that to use UP in conjuction with superior Psyche! > > You must play UP after the press phase to be able to play the Psyche. Once > > the new combat starts you must immediately play another UP to keep from > > going to torpor because it is a new combat and the old UPs only affected the > > last combat. > > You can play the UP at any (appropriate) time. > Then, when combat ends (possible much later), play Psyche! > Then play an UP in the new combat to remain propped up. Wouldn't there be a sliver of time between the combats where you would get dropped since there is no opportunity to play UP? or does the Psyche combat happen immediately after with no space in between? just for clarification, but i'm guessing the latter oscar

"XZealot" <x_ze...@cox-internet.com> wrote in message news:v4qm56j...@corp.supernews.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Whoo HOO! The never die UP, Psyche, Trap deck!!! Deck Name: Whoo HOO! Created By: Norman Brown Description: Trap UP Psyche Trap Up, over and over again!! Crypt: (13 cards, Min: 22, Max: 38, Avg: 7.77) ---------------------------------------------- 1 Jimmy Dunn CEL for POT 4, Pander 1 Brachah for CEL PRE 5, Brujah 1 Pug Jackson CEL for POT pre 6, Brujah, Primogen 1 Zachary CEL for OBF PRO pre 7, Gangrel Antitribu 1 Richter CEL for POT pre 7, Brujah Antitribu 1 Fatima al-Faqadi aus CEL for OBF QUI 8, Assamite 1 Hrothulf CEL dom FOR pot PRE pro 8, Ventrue 1 Tegyrius AUS CEL FOR pre QUI 9, Assamite 1 Annabelle Triabell AUS CEL dom for PRE 9, Toreador, Primogen 1 Maxwell CEL FOR POT PRE PRO 9, Brujah 1 Tyler CEL dom for obt POT PRE 9, Brujah, Primogen 1 Jaroslav Pascek CEL for obf POT PRE 10, Brujah, Justicar 1 Madame Guil AUS CEL for pot PRE ser 10, Toreador, Justicar Library: (90 cards) ------------------- Master (12 cards) 12 Minion Tap Action (9 cards) 9 Computer Hacking Action Modifier (14 cards) 8 Aire of Elation 6 Freak Drive Combat (55 cards) 14 Boxed In 14 Psyche! 14 Trap 13 Undead Persistence [ quoted text not captured ]