Leadership Vacuum/priscus interaction

For purposes of Leadership vacuum, one is to place X counters on it where X is the number of votes that vampire has. What does that mean for Prisci? Would they have the default 3 votes their sub-referendum generates, the 1 vote they recieve in the sub-referendum or none, since they have no intrinsic votes of their own?

On 20 May 2004 20:27:17 -0700, ma...@mentaladventures.com (Loughman) wrote: >For purposes of Leadership vacuum, one is to place X counters on it >where X is the number of votes that vampire has. What does that mean >for Prisci? See the rulings: Priscus (Prisci vote): Prisci in general have zero votes (for effects that operate based on the number of votes a vampire has). [RTR 19970630] Also: LSJ 2004-03-25 http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4062C23F.6080009%40white-wolf.com Carpe noctem. Lasombra http://www.TheLasombra.com

The Lasombra <TheLa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<us0ra0pokh4pjf9vb...@4ax.com>... > On 20 May 2004 20:27:17 -0700, ma...@mentaladventures.com (Loughman) > wrote: > > >For purposes of Leadership vacuum, one is to place X counters on it > >where X is the number of votes that vampire has. What does that mean > >for Prisci? > > See the rulings: > Priscus (Prisci vote): Prisci in general have zero votes (for effects > that operate based on the number of votes a vampire has). [RTR > 19970630] Which should also mean that a Priscus cannot burn the Leadership Vacuum in the meths untap phase, right? Magnus

Magnus wrote: > Which should also mean that a Priscus cannot burn the Leadership > Vacuum in the meths untap phase, right? No. Priscus is a title. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

> > Which should also mean that a Priscus cannot burn the Leadership > > Vacuum in the meths untap phase, right? > > No. Priscus is a title. Hehehe. Having votes (printed on the vampire card) is equal to having a title but having a title is not equal to having votes. Reminds me of some math classes in university :-)) -- johannes walch

Johannes Walch wrote: >>>Which should also mean that a Priscus cannot burn the Leadership >>>Vacuum in the meths untap phase, right? >> >>No. Priscus is a title. > > > Hehehe. Having votes (printed on the vampire card) is equal to having a > title Not true. "1 vote" and "2 votes" are titles, but, eg, Genevieve's additional vote is not. --Colin McGuigan

> Not true. "1 vote" and "2 votes" are titles, but, eg, Genevieve's > additional vote is not. Who says that ? She is allready titled so the question is kind of obsolete ...

Johannes Walch wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] If Genevieve goes Out of the Frying Pan, she's not titled, but gets to keep her additional vote. --Colin McGuigan

On Sat, 22 May 2004 22:38:34 +0200, "Johannes Walch" <johanne...@vekn.de> scrawled: [ quoted text not captured ] Fall of the Sabbat and/or Out of the Frying Pan (and/or Clan impersonation to a non-sabbat clan) would leave her titleless, with 1 vote. only "1 vote" or "2 votes" or "X votes" printed on INDEPENDANT vampires are titles. Vampires in the camarilla or sabbat don't use the "X votes" printing for titles, they use "Primogen", etc. salem domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm (replace "hotmail" with "yahoo" to email) "I like to play the field"-LSJ

> only "1 vote" or "2 votes" or "X votes" printed on INDEPENDANT > vampires are titles. Ah there is the point. Thx for enlightening me :-) -- johannes walch

salem <salem_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<qr10b09ppan2npdqc...@4ax.com>... > only "1 vote" or "2 votes" or "X votes" printed on INDEPENDANT > vampires are titles. Actually, a Camarilla or Sabbat vampire with "X votes" printed on it would also be titled.

Emmit Svenson wrote: > Actually, a Camarilla or Sabbat vampire with "X votes" printed on it > would also be titled. Originally, I thought this was wrong, but looking through past LSJ posts, it seems that "1 vote" and "2 votes" aren't sect-related, so even if Ur-Shulgi leaps Out of the Frying Pan, he gets to keep his 2 votes. Neat. --Colin McGuigan

On Mon, 24 May 2004 13:53:12 -0500, Colin McGuigan <magu...@BGONEspeakeasy.net> scrawled: [ quoted text not captured ] yup, BUT, lsj has stated they won't print both "sabbat/camarilla" AND "X votes" on a card. i mean, if you are an indie and change sects, you keep your "X votes" title, that is true. However, they won't PRINT a sabbat or a cam who's title is "X votes". instead, they'd make them a prince, or a bishop, or whatever title is appropriate to the amount of votes they want the vamp to have and the sect it is in. [ quoted text not captured ]