Corruption

The Corruption card says "Put a corruption counter on a vampire or ally controlled by your prey. If the number of your corruption counters on the minion equals or exceeds the blood capacity of that vampire or the cost of that ally, you may burn all of your corruption counters on that minion to gain control of him or her." My question is once the Corruption action has been taken, are further corruption cards required to add corruption counters to the corrupt minion. A question to WoTC came back stating "With corruption, you would need five corruption cards to take five directed actions, putting five corruption counters on a five blood vampire to take control of that vampire." I have tried using the corruption cards in this fashion and found that to have any effect on your prey, you need to have 1/3 of your deck filled with these cards. If the corruption was placed and then further action, without cards were taken to corrupt a vampire (without +1 stealth), a deck does not have to be completely filled with corruption cards. Having 30 corruption cards in a deck ruins the deck for anything else, and anything else make the likelyhood of corruption a vampire remote. Unless your prey has a weinie vote deck. So how should this card really work? -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet

rai...@mich.com wrote: > > The Corruption card says "Put a corruption counter on a vampire or ally > controlled by your prey. If the number of your corruption counters on > the minion equals or exceeds the blood capacity of that vampire or the > cost of that ally, you may burn all of your corruption counters on that > minion to gain control of him or her." > > My question is once the Corruption action has been taken, are further > corruption cards required to add corruption counters to the corrupt > minion. Yes. (Or, you could use any other effect which placed Corruption counters. There are no other such effects currently, but some future expansion might include some.) > A question to WoTC came back stating "With corruption, you would need > five corruption cards to take five directed actions, putting five > corruption counters on a five blood vampire to take control of that > vampire." This is correct, unless you have some way of re-using your corruption cards (Carlotta or Whispers from the Dead). > I have tried using the corruption cards in this fashion and found that > to have any effect on your prey, you need to have 1/3 of your deck filled > with these cards. If the corruption was placed and then further action, > without cards were taken to corrupt a vampire (without +1 stealth), a deck > does not have to be completely filled with corruption cards. True, you would need fewer Corruption cards if the Corruption card was placed on the target an allowed a cardless action to add more Corruption counters. But its does not. > Having 30 corruption cards in a deck ruins the deck for anything else, > and anything else make the likelyhood of corruption a vampire remote. > Unless your prey has a weinie vote deck. > > So how should this card really work? You've got it. If you can't spare the 30 slots in your deck, just use five or eight and use the Corruptions to steal Allies that cost only a few pool. Then, if you find yourself in position to steal a young vampire from a voting deck, so much the better. -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@regency.wizards.com) Official VtES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. (*) - Subject to review by Rules Team

>If the corruption was placed and then further action, > without cards were taken to corrupt a vampire (without +1 stealth) WOTC apparently considers permanent control effects that have no special flaws (Revelation of the Sire, for example, only works on Caitiff) to be broken. (Compare Temptation) --- Liam Burke "Only a Malkavian would attack Cthulhu with laughing gas..." -overheard

> My question is once the Corruption action has been taken, are further > corruption cards required to add corruption counters to the corrupt > minion. > I have tried using the corruption cards in this fashion and found that > to have any effect on your prey, you need to have 1/3 of your deck filled > with these cards. If the corruption was placed and then further action, > without cards were taken to corrupt a vampire (without +1 stealth), a deck > does not have to be completely filled with corruption cards. > > Having 30 corruption cards in a deck ruins the deck for anything else, > and anything else make the likelyhood of corruption a vampire remote. > Unless your prey has a weinie vote deck. > > So how should this card really work? I actually just recently used Corruption to good effect in my Giovanni/Settite deck. (Giovanni/Settite Deck? Yes. Kherebetu was too nifty for anything less.) Managed to use Carlotta Giovanni to recycle through the Corruption cards and take control of an 8 capacity vampire. Meanwhile, my opponent's resources were dedicated heavily to stopping the whole thing, which left me time to build up. (I had the Edge.) I could have won the game without it, but it was a nifty coup. It's also great against tiny allies. No better way to hose Ambrosius with Talbot's Chainsaw than to steal him. Hey, that brings up a question....

rai...@mich.com wrote: > > I have tried using the corruption cards in this fashion and found that > to have any effect on your prey, you need to have 1/3 of your deck filled > with these cards. If the corruption was placed and then further action, > without cards were taken to corrupt a vampire (without +1 stealth), a deck > does not have to be completely filled with corruption cards. > > Having 30 corruption cards in a deck ruins the deck for anything else, > and anything else make the likelyhood of corruption a vampire remote. > Unless your prey has a weinie vote deck. > > So how should this card really work? > > -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Don't make such a brutal effort to corrupt. Corruption is subtle. Use it only for the kid-vamps of your prey, or allies. I play in a group with a 5 card limit, and use the card as a surprise effect. I have all 5 cards allowed in my deck and play them to get the Caitiff who diablerizes this evil big vamp of my predator, to take my advantage of 3rd Traditions or Embraces and "normal" Allies like Arcanum Investigator. Possible is also to first play "Mark of Damnation" on a small famed Vampire of your prey (he will smile), corrupt him (his smile will freeze) and send him in a rampaging frenzy to destroy this art museum... :) Or, someone posted it, play with Carlotta Giovanni. She will recycle the Corruption cards for you. Let Kimintiri first bury her "Heart of Darkness" and then snip off her "Ruthor's Hand" to get along with the actions you need. Kherebutu may copy Carlotta if he listens the "Whispers from the Dead" (pretty expensive, better use Dedefra). If you have access to the more esoteric Setite cards like "Form of Corruption" or "Temptation", use them. (both rare) All in all, Corruption is a nice card, but not decisive. It is only a stone in the wall, but a pretty one. Michael Beer, Dortmund, Germany

Just a question.....isn't corruption usable when the counters equals the amount of blood on the vampire, not it's capacity? that means you can steal that big nifty inner circle guy with only one corruption card in your deck, all you have to do is mark of damnation him, and get someone to beat him down to one blood.... is this right or have i overlooked something majorly important? Harsh.

Harsh Greeting wrote: > > Just a question.....isn't corruption usable when the counters equals the > amount of blood on the vampire, not it's capacity? No. card text: "... equals or exceeds the blood capacity of that vampire ..." [ quoted text not captured ]

Harsh Greeting (blah...@student.anu.edu.au) wrote: : Just a question.....isn't corruption usable when the counters equals the : amount of blood on the vampire, not it's capacity? : that means you can steal that big nifty inner circle guy with only one : corruption card in your deck, all you have to do is mark of damnation : him, and get someone to beat him down to one blood.... : is this right or have i overlooked something majorly important? : Harsh. Wow, I wish...Here is the actual card text: +1 stealth action {D} Put a corruption counter on a vampire or ally controlled by your prey. If the number of your corruption counters on the minion equals or exceeds the blood CAPACITY of that vampire or the cost of that ally, you may burn all your corruption counters on that minion to gain control of him or her. Honestly, I like your interpretation more! Later Tim Carter be...@freespace.net

L. Scott Johnson wrote: > > Harsh Greeting wrote: > > > > Just a question.....isn't corruption usable when the counters equals the > > amount of blood on the vampire, not it's capacity? > > No. card text: > > "... equals or exceeds the blood capacity of that vampire ..." > Temptation, on the other hand, works off of the blood on the vampire. An infinately superior card.

Michael Kelly <michae...@lmco.com> wrote in article <3342D6...@lmco.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] Corruption should have been done the same way. This would have made it viable without putting 20 or 30 in the deck. Oh well... -- Steve Bucy I'd be better off undead... "Hmmm. I notice the number of conditional phrases in there... _seems_ to indicate a weakness, _may_ be vulnerable in theory." - G'Kar