actions/combat Q

I've read before that there's no way to have a combat that's not part of an action. Is it still true? (I'm not sure in what situations it would matter, but suppose there might be some.) For example, Blissful Agony says "Strike: combat ends. Choose a minion controlled by another Methuselah other than the opposing vampire's controller. The opposing vampire enters combat with that minion." After the S:CE resolves, is the action over? If so, the new combat would be outside of an action, yes? (Even if not, neither minion in the new combat is acting or blocking.) Also, Siren's Lure says "Only usable by an untapped ready vampire other than the acting minion when a minion attempts to block. That minion cannot block this action. Tap this vampire and that minion. Once the action resolves, this vampire enters combat with that minion." "Once the action resolves" sounds to me very much like the action is over when the combat occurs. True, or not? If not, why not? Thanks, Josh can't remember why this matters but pretty sure it does

Joshua Duffin wrote: > > I've read before that there's no way to have a combat > that's not part of an action. Is it still true? (I'm > not sure in what situations it would matter, but suppose > there might be some.) Yes. > For example, Blissful Agony says "Strike: combat ends. > Choose a minion controlled by another Methuselah other > than the opposing vampire's controller. The opposing > vampire enters combat with that minion." > > After the S:CE resolves, is the action over? If so, the > new combat would be outside of an action, yes? (Even if > not, neither minion in the new combat is acting or > blocking.) No. The opposing minion is still the acting/blocking minion if he was before. The new minion is neither. > Also, Siren's Lure says "Only usable by an untapped ready > vampire other than the acting minion when a minion attempts > to block. That minion cannot block this action. Tap this > vampire and that minion. Once the action resolves, this > vampire enters combat with that minion." > > "Once the action resolves" sounds to me very much like the > action is over when the combat occurs. True, or not? If > not, why not? Not. Resolution of the action's effects is not the end. See Freak Drive. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3C1A2C0C...@white-wolf.com... > Joshua Duffin wrote: > > > > I've read before that there's no way to have a combat > > that's not part of an action. Is it still true? (I'm > > not sure in what situations it would matter, but suppose > > there might be some.) > > Yes. > > > For example, Blissful Agony says "Strike: combat ends. > > Choose a minion controlled by another Methuselah other > > than the opposing vampire's controller. The opposing > > vampire enters combat with that minion." > > > > After the S:CE resolves, is the action over? If so, the > > new combat would be outside of an action, yes? (Even if > > not, neither minion in the new combat is acting or > > blocking.) > > No. > The opposing minion is still the acting/blocking minion if > he was before. The new minion is neither. So what happens when 2 different superior sword playing players get into it. My big sword blissfuls your acting vampire into combat with one of my other vampires, and in response your acting vampire with big sword sends my non-acting/blocking vampire into combat with a totally different vampire. Now there are 2 vampires, neither of whom are acting or blocking? -- Aaron The Nosferatu Stuff

The Nosferatu Stuff wrote: > So what happens when 2 different superior sword playing players get into it. > My big sword blissfuls your acting vampire into combat with one of my other > vampires, and in response your acting vampire with big sword sends my > non-acting/blocking vampire into combat with a totally different vampire. > Now there are 2 vampires, neither of whom are acting or blocking? Right. For declaring strikes, etc., the order is as per 1.6.1.6 [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ skrev i meddelandet <3C1A46AE...@white-wolf.com>... >The Nosferatu Stuff wrote: >> So what happens when 2 different superior sword playing players get into it. >> My big sword blissfuls your acting vampire into combat with one of my other >> vampires, and in response your acting vampire with big sword sends my >> non-acting/blocking vampire into combat with a totally different vampire. >> Now there are 2 vampires, neither of whom are acting or blocking? > >Right. >For declaring strikes, etc., the order is as per 1.6.1.6 > Ok, and what happens if both minions strike blissful in the same combat? Does the acting minions blissful cause the blocking minions blissful to fizzle, do the combats take place after each others, or at the same time? (I see a splitscenario here where the whole table soon is involved in several combats per minion! :) ) /Henrik

[ quoted text not captured ] Good question. The strikes resolve simultaneously. The acting methuselah can then order the two pending "after combat" effects - with the one chosen to be first canceling the other. [ quoted text not captured ]