Post-Combat Sequencing Questions

Via e-mail, I recently asked a few questions to LSJ and in his response, he suggested I post some of them on the newsgroup so that the answers would be preserved (and also for the enlightenment of fellow newsgroupies). So I actually already know the answers but... #1. Okay, acting minion always gets the chance to play something first. So Hidden Lurker trumps Fast Reaction. And it's pretty clear that the acting minon's Psyche! beats the blocking minion's Psyche! I'm still a little hazy on some Psyche! interactions though (searched Google, didn't help). So who wins? A. Hidden Lurker vs. blocking minion's Psyche! B. Acting minion's Psyche! vs. Fast Reaction. #2. In addition, how does Cardinal Sin: Insubordination interact with the above (Hidden Lurker, Fast Reaction, Psyche!). Does it have the same timing or does it happen before? For example, Vampire A (non-titled Sabbat) is blocked by Vampire B (Cardinal). Combat ends with both vampires ready. Vamp A wants to Psyche! while Vamp B wants to play CS: Insubordination. Who gets to play their card? #3. Does a Psyche! played in response to a Legacy of Power prevent both vampires from going to torpor? Thanks! Halcyan 2

Halcyan 2 wrote: > #1. Okay, acting minion always gets the chance to play something first. So > Hidden Lurker trumps Fast Reaction. And it's pretty clear that the acting > minon's Psyche! beats the blocking minion's Psyche! I'm still a little hazy on > some Psyche! interactions though (searched Google, didn't help). So who wins? > > A. Hidden Lurker vs. blocking minion's Psyche! > > B. Acting minion's Psyche! vs. Fast Reaction. Psyche! in both cases. Since it is a combat card, its timing window comes before the timing window for Hidden Lurker and Fast Reaction (the latter two share the same timing window, so then 1.6.1.6 decides which one gets to be played). > #2. In addition, how does Cardinal Sin: Insubordination interact with the above > (Hidden Lurker, Fast Reaction, Psyche!). Does it have the same timing or does > it happen before? For example, Vampire A (non-titled Sabbat) is blocked by > Vampire B (Cardinal). Combat ends with both vampires ready. Vamp A wants to > Psyche! while Vamp B wants to play CS: Insubordination. Who gets to play their > card? The Psyche! is played first. Then, after the base combat but before the Psyche! combat starts, CS:I can be played (since it isn't trying to start a new combat, just like Obedience could be played). Same thing if you swap HL or FR for Psyche! in the example, although then you go to 1.6.1.6 to see which can be played first. > #3. Does a Psyche! played in response to a Legacy of Power prevent both > vampires from going to torpor? Yes. It should probably not (LoP "should" just send the two to torpor and let that event end the combat), but as it written, yeah. Not a problem, though, so I don't foresee any errata for this one any time soon. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ wrote: ::: #3. Does a Psyche! played in response to a Legacy of Power ::: prevent both vampires from going to torpor? :: :: Yes. It should probably not (LoP "should" just send the two to :: torpor and let that event end the combat), but as it written, :: yeah. Not a problem, though, so I don't foresee any errata for :: this one any time soon. I doubt so : when Legacy of power is played, the combat is not entered. You can't play a combat card when there is no combat at all.

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LSJ wrote: :: reyda wrote: ::: ::: LSJ wrote: ::: :::::: #3. Does a Psyche! played in response to a Legacy of Power :::::: prevent both vampires from going to torpor? ::::: ::::: Yes. It should probably not (LoP "should" just send the two to ::::: torpor and let that event end the combat), but as it written, ::::: yeah. Not a problem, though, so I don't foresee any errata for ::::: this one any time soon. ::: ::: I doubt so : when Legacy of power is played, the combat is not ::: entered. You can't play a combat card when there is no combat at ::: all. :: :: Card text: :: Only usable when a vampire you control enters combat. ... Combat :: ends. card icon : Reaction card. the wording "combat does not occur" would be better.

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LSJ wrote: :: reyda wrote: ::: ::: LSJ wrote: ::::: reyda wrote: :::::: :::::: LSJ wrote: :::::: ::::::::: #3. Does a Psyche! played in response to a Legacy of Power ::::::::: prevent both vampires from going to torpor? :::::::: :::::::: Yes. It should probably not (LoP "should" just send the two :::::::: to torpor and let that event end the combat), but as it :::::::: written, yeah. Not a problem, though, so I don't foresee any :::::::: errata for this one any time soon. :::::: :::::: I doubt so : when Legacy of power is played, the combat is not :::::: entered. You can't play a combat card when there is no combat :::::: at all. ::::: ::::: Card text: ::::: Only usable when a vampire you control enters combat. ... Combat ::::: ends. ::: ::: card icon : Reaction card. ::: the wording "combat does not occur" would be better. :: :: Again, it is not a problem, so I don't foresee any errata for this :: one any time soon. Understood =) but i always put 2 or 3 copies of this card in decks where i play princes, only for the ability of stopping super combat machines. So i would be upset if someone plays Psyche and avoids getting torpored. Please just tell us both vampires get torpored anyway.

LSJ wrote: :: reyda wrote: ::: ::: LSJ wrote: ::::: reyda wrote: :::::: :::::: LSJ wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] LSJ wrote: Yes. It should probably not.

[ quoted text not captured ] Correct. It does. It probably should not. But it doesn't merit errata to make it "not". See several repetitions of this above. [ quoted text not captured ]