Definition for Mortals? [LSJ}

In a seperate thread, a question is raised as to what constitues a Mortal? >To the best of my knowledge Mages are mortals. Ghouls are mortals by definition. > Check the definition of Ghouls in the rulebook. > Unfortunately, there is no definitive clarification in the rulebook or errata section to be found It would be pretty obvious that the following are not Mortal. Mummies Wraiths Demons Werewolves Less obvious, is to ask if the following are considered Mortals in addition to thier listed classification Mages Ghouls Thanks! BernieTime Lansing, Michigan

[ quoted text not captured ] While Mages and Ghouls are technically Mortal, I get the feeling that the distinction, at least here, is the supernatural aspect. Mages (and I think Ghouls) are Awakened beings, and are thus not subject to the Delirium effect from Garou. Mages stand out from the sleepers that form the rest of society. As are ghouls, who aren't at the same level of "kine" in vampiric society. If you look at the list of Mortals, you'll see that most of them are, well, rather "normal." The only real exceptions are hunters (not sure which are actually Hunters) but that group tends to be an exception anyway. And then pseudo-mystical guys like Vagabond Mystic and Fortune Teller. Still nothing like mages who can shape reality. Halcyan 2

berni...@attbi.comHOLDLeSPAM wrote in message news:<3eecc644....@netnews.attbi.com>... > In a seperate thread, a question is raised as to what constitues a > Mortal? > > >To the best of my knowledge Mages are mortals. Ghouls are mortals by definition. > > Check the definition of Ghouls in the rulebook. > > Unfortunately, there is no definitive clarification in the rulebook or errata section to be found it's in their text in the online card text. if it has 'mortal', they're mortal. if not, they're not. it's not an intuitive thing, it's a text designation. like 'gun', 'haven', 'vehicle', etc. > It would be pretty obvious that the following are not Mortal. > Mummies > Wraiths > Demons > Werewolves correct, by their card text. > Less obvious, is to ask if the following are considered Mortals in > addition to thier listed classification > Mages > Ghouls they're not. you can't be more than one 'type' at a time. well, maybe you can, but at the moment there are no allies or retainers that are. :) Ghouls are merely ghouls, mages are merely mages. TheLasombra's site has a file listing all the clasificiations. go check it out: http://www.thelasombra.com the link to the list is in the 'rules' section, just under the link to the bloodlines misprints. the text on 'ghouled' also implies that you can't be two types at once: 'This ally is considered a ghoul and not a mortal.' hope that helps, salem.

berni...@attbi.comHOLDLeSPAM wrote: > In a seperate thread, a question is raised as to what constitues a > Mortal? Also answered in a separate thread: Q: What constitutes a Mortal? A: Card text that says so. [LSJ 24-MAY-2003] Google: "mortal definition author:LSJ" -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

In message <293af2cc.03061...@posting.google.com>, salem <salem_ch...@yahoo.com> writes: >the text on 'ghouled' also implies that you can't be two types at >once: >'This ally is considered a ghoul and not a mortal.' As you said earlier, this isn't inherent in designators. Highway Haven is both a Vehicle and a Haven, for instance. (And, indeed, equipment.) There's nothing actually *stopping* someone being a Ghoul and a Mortal, except current card text. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D Lucky that my breasts are small and humble, EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 So you don't confuse them with mountains. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D

On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:09:57 -0400, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >berni...@attbi.comHOLDLeSPAM wrote: >> In a seperate thread, a question is raised as to what constitues a >> Mortal? > >Also answered in a separate thread: >Q: What constitutes a Mortal? A: Card text that says so. [LSJ 24-MAY-2003] >Google: "mortal definition author:LSJ" Thanks for the response. I did run a google search before asking the question, but didn't find a good thread on the topic. >-- >LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Thanks! BernieTime Lansing, Michigan