A question came up over the weekend. A player with 5 blood left played
the master card "vast wealth" on a ready minion during her master phase.
During her minion phase she took the action to get the first piece of
equipment in the deck. She found an Assault Rifle, this has a cost of 5BP.
So what happens
A: She must pay the 5BP which puts her at 0 BP and out of the game.
B: As equiping the gun would kill her she doesn't equip herself.
Another related question, same situation but she has 4 BP.
A: She only has 4BP so she doesn't equip
B: She equipes, and is now at -1BP and out of the game.
One more related question:
Does the minion have to pay the cost if they don't want the equipment?
SPOILER FOLLOWS:
Vast Wealth: Master
Put this card on a ready minion. The minion can now equip with the
first piece of equipment you find in your library working down from
the top, as an action, which would be at +1 Stealth. Pay equip cost
from blood pool, as normal. Reshuffle the library afterwards.
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Digital Equipment Corporation ...!decwrl!slugbt.enet!marier
DECwest Engineering/Bellevue WA (206) 865-8886
A question came up over the weekend. A player with 5 blood left played
the master card "vast wealth" on a ready minion during her master phase.
During her minion phase she took the action to get the first piece of
equipment in the deck. She found an Assault Rifle, this has a cost of 5BP.
So what happens
A: She must pay the 5BP which puts her at 0 BP and out of the game.
B: As equiping the gun would kill her she doesn't equip herself.
Another related question, same situation but she has 4 BP.
A: She only has 4BP so she doesn't equip
B: She equipes, and is now at -1BP and out of the game.
One more related question:
Does the minion have to pay the cost if they don't want the equipment?
SPOILER FOLLOWS:
Vast Wealth: Master
Put this card on a ready minion. The minion can now equip with the
first piece of equipment you find in your library working down from
the top, as an action, which would be at +1 Stealth. Pay equip cost
from blood pool, as normal. Reshuffle the library afterwards.
--
Shawn Del Marier marier@zso.dec.com
Digital Equipment Corporation ...!decwrl!slugbt.enet!marier
DECwest Engineering/Bellevue WA (206) 865-8886
In <3521ir$dlr@usenet.pa.dec.com>, marier@elmo.zso.dec.com (shawn marier) writes:
>
>A question came up over the weekend. A player with 5 blood left played
>the master card "vast wealth" on a ready minion during her master phase.
>
>During her minion phase she took the action to get the first piece of
>equipment in the deck. She found an Assault Rifle, this has a cost of 5BP.
>
>So what happens
>
> A: She must pay the 5BP which puts her at 0 BP and out of the game.
> B: As equiping the gun would kill her she doesn't equip herself.
>
>Another related question, same situation but she has 4 BP.
>
> A: She only has 4BP so she doesn't equip
> B: She equipes, and is now at -1BP and out of the game.
>
Non sequitur. Ousting occurs when the blood pool is empty.
>One more related question:
>
>Does the minion have to pay the cost if they don't want the equipment?
>
The secret is in the verb: "minion CAN now equip". Strict interpretation
via US Gov't contract guidelines would say that it is an optional action,
and the weapon would burn if not bought.
A good rules lawyer would argue that the option was taken when the
library is searched, and that the devil must be paid 'cuz the fiddle
has been played.
IMHO, playing that the cost must be paid makes for a better game
as VW becomes a risk taking card when you pool is =< high cost
equipment library. (I like suspense, and I do play with VW, but
I have a high % of 0/1 cost equipment.)
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Rick Mc Leod - Systems Wizard, Court Jester, Guardian of the Galaxy Environment
MDA P/L PO Box 1692 N Sydney NSW 2058 Australia (02) 956-7966
rxm@mda.com.au/NIC:RM25/There can be only one...fortunately.
In <3521ir$dlr@usenet.pa.dec.com>, marier@elmo.zso.dec.com (shawn marier) writes:
>
>A question came up over the weekend. A player with 5 blood left played
>the master card "vast wealth" on a ready minion during her master phase.
>
>During her minion phase she took the action to get the first piece of
>equipment in the deck. She found an Assault Rifle, this has a cost of 5BP.
>
>So what happens
>
> A: She must pay the 5BP which puts her at 0 BP and out of the game.
> B: As equiping the gun would kill her she doesn't equip herself.
>
>Another related question, same situation but she has 4 BP.
>
> A: She only has 4BP so she doesn't equip
> B: She equipes, and is now at -1BP and out of the game.
>
Non sequitur. Ousting occurs when the blood pool is empty.
>One more related question:
>
>Does the minion have to pay the cost if they don't want the equipment?
>
The secret is in the verb: "minion CAN now equip". Strict interpretation
via US Gov't contract guidelines would say that it is an optional action,
and the weapon would burn if not bought.
A good rules lawyer would argue that the option was taken when the
library is searched, and that the devil must be paid 'cuz the fiddle
has been played.
IMHO, playing that the cost must be paid makes for a better game
as VW becomes a risk taking card when you pool is =< high cost
equipment library. (I like suspense, and I do play with VW, but
I have a high % of 0/1 cost equipment.)
!-----------------------------------------------------------------------------!
Rick Mc Leod - Systems Wizard, Court Jester, Guardian of the Galaxy Environment
MDA P/L PO Box 1692 N Sydney NSW 2058 Australia (02) 956-7966
rxm@mda.com.au/NIC:RM25/There can be only one...fortunately.
marier@elmo.zso.dec.com (shawn marier) writes:
>SPOILER FOLLOWS:>Vast Wealth: Master
> Put this card on a ready minion. The minion can now equip with the
> first piece of equipment you find in your library working down from
> the top, as an action, which would be at +1 Stealth. Pay equip cost
> from blood pool, as normal. Reshuffle the library afterwards.
The card doesn't say "must equip" it says "can equip" Logically the minion
doesn't HAVE to equip.
Keeping this in mind, I'm sure the "official" ruling will once again defy
the laws of logic and common sense.
The more I read the "official" rule postings, the more sure I am that I
will never play in any "official" Jyhad tourneys.
1. You get the edge for bleeding ANY Meth.
2. Vampires can only have 1 title at a time, no Prince of Seattle,
Justicars.
3. Warm-ups occur in two player games.
etc etc... No thanks.
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marier@elmo.zso.dec.com (shawn marier) writes:
>SPOILER FOLLOWS:>Vast Wealth: Master
> Put this card on a ready minion. The minion can now equip with the
> first piece of equipment you find in your library working down from
> the top, as an action, which would be at +1 Stealth. Pay equip cost
> from blood pool, as normal. Reshuffle the library afterwards.
The card doesn't say "must equip" it says "can equip" Logically the minion
doesn't HAVE to equip.
Keeping this in mind, I'm sure the "official" ruling will once again defy
the laws of logic and common sense.
The more I read the "official" rule postings, the more sure I am that I
will never play in any "official" Jyhad tourneys.
1. You get the edge for bleeding ANY Meth.
2. Vampires can only have 1 title at a time, no Prince of Seattle,
Justicars.
3. Warm-ups occur in two player games.
etc etc... No thanks.
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>>Vast Wealth: Master
>> Put this card on a ready minion. The minion can now equip with the
>> first piece of equipment you find in your library working down from
>> the top, as an action, which would be at +1 Stealth. Pay equip cost
>> from blood pool, as normal. Reshuffle the library afterwards.>The card doesn't say "must equip" it says "can equip" Logically the minion
>doesn't HAVE to equip.
If it said "must" then the minion would be forced to tap for a piece
of equipment every turn. The option given by "can" is that you may, if you
want to, tap it to equip with a random item.
>The more I read the "official" rule postings, the more sure I am that I
>will never play in any "official" Jyhad tourneys.>1. You get the edge for bleeding ANY Meth.
What's wrong with this? There is so much incentive not to ever weaken
a player besides your target that this little bonus doesn't hurt anything.
I can even see them clapping and saying, "oh, nicely done" after you blow
up your predator's secret docking base.
>2. Vampires can only have 1 title at a time, no Prince of Seattle,
> Justicars.
This is mostly true. A Prince/Justicar is kind of like a Bishop/
Duke. It just isn't done, and trying to do both gets you in more
trouble than it buys you clout. Likewise a member of the Primogen
who was a Justicar would be a bad idea.
A Primogen member/Prince is similar to a President/Congressman.
You need to give up the latter office to have the former.
That just leaves being the Prince of two cities. Possible, but
that's also fairly unheard of and both cities would be more than
capable of fielding challengers who would spend all their time on
that one city. Princes work _hard_ because the recognition it brings
them and their clan is very important to them. It's not an honorary
position.
>3. Warm-ups occur in two player games.
Are you an expert at paper/rock/siscors, always going first and
enjoying the fact that it's a big advantage? With a warm-up in a
two-player game, it matters less whether you go first or second.
It's a good rule.
> etc etc... No thanks.
Some of the etcs are bad, like the Wolf Companion ruling. The problem
is WotC wants to stick with their "play as written" rule with cards
that weren't proofread with a copy of the final rules draft in hand.
--
>>Vast Wealth: Master
>> Put this card on a ready minion. The minion can now equip with the
>> first piece of equipment you find in your library working down from
>> the top, as an action, which would be at +1 Stealth. Pay equip cost
>> from blood pool, as normal. Reshuffle the library afterwards.>The card doesn't say "must equip" it says "can equip" Logically the minion
>doesn't HAVE to equip.
If it said "must" then the minion would be forced to tap for a piece
of equipment every turn. The option given by "can" is that you may, if you
want to, tap it to equip with a random item.
>The more I read the "official" rule postings, the more sure I am that I
>will never play in any "official" Jyhad tourneys.>1. You get the edge for bleeding ANY Meth.
What's wrong with this? There is so much incentive not to ever weaken
a player besides your target that this little bonus doesn't hurt anything.
I can even see them clapping and saying, "oh, nicely done" after you blow
up your predator's secret docking base.
>2. Vampires can only have 1 title at a time, no Prince of Seattle,
> Justicars.
This is mostly true. A Prince/Justicar is kind of like a Bishop/
Duke. It just isn't done, and trying to do both gets you in more
trouble than it buys you clout. Likewise a member of the Primogen
who was a Justicar would be a bad idea.
A Primogen member/Prince is similar to a President/Congressman.
You need to give up the latter office to have the former.
That just leaves being the Prince of two cities. Possible, but
that's also fairly unheard of and both cities would be more than
capable of fielding challengers who would spend all their time on
that one city. Princes work _hard_ because the recognition it brings
them and their clan is very important to them. It's not an honorary
position.
>3. Warm-ups occur in two player games.
Are you an expert at paper/rock/siscors, always going first and
enjoying the fact that it's a big advantage? With a warm-up in a
two-player game, it matters less whether you go first or second.
It's a good rule.
> etc etc... No thanks.
Some of the etcs are bad, like the Wolf Companion ruling. The problem
is WotC wants to stick with their "play as written" rule with cards
that weren't proofread with a copy of the final rules draft in hand.
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Owen P Reynolds <owen@iastate.edu> wrote:
>>>Vast Wealth: Master
>>> Put this card on a ready minion. The minion can now equip with the
>>> first piece of equipment you find in your library working down from
>>> the top, as an action, which would be at +1 Stealth. Pay equip cost
>>> from blood pool, as normal. Reshuffle the library afterwards.>>The card doesn't say "must equip" it says "can equip" Logically the minion
>>doesn't HAVE to equip.
You're parsing it incorrectly. The "can" is letting you know that taking
the action is optional. If you do take the action, you are required to
equip the vampire with whichever piece of equipment you pull out, however.
Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for
aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.
Owen P Reynolds <owen@iastate.edu> wrote:
>>>Vast Wealth: Master
>>> Put this card on a ready minion. The minion can now equip with the
>>> first piece of equipment you find in your library working down from
>>> the top, as an action, which would be at +1 Stealth. Pay equip cost
>>> from blood pool, as normal. Reshuffle the library afterwards.>>The card doesn't say "must equip" it says "can equip" Logically the minion
>>doesn't HAVE to equip.
You're parsing it incorrectly. The "can" is letting you know that taking
the action is optional. If you do take the action, you are required to
equip the vampire with whichever piece of equipment you pull out, however.
Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for
aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.
The way the current tournaments are being played, unless you have the
moxes/lotus combos and/or blue permission/time cards you do not win.
Ante would not prevent this from happening, but it would make it a
potentially expensive if you did not win and anted one of your nice
out-of-print cards.
i realize that it is difficult to ban cards once printed, but we all make
mistakes. There is in every tournament an unfair advantage in favor of
players with these discontinued cards. Players who came after that time
are at an express disadvantage if they do not have the money to buy these
rare cards. I submit that ANYONE who is in favor of either allowing all
the out-of-print restricted cards into tournaments or thinks ante in
tournaments is a bad idea because they *might* lose a good card cares
more about winning than the GOOD of the GAME. This is coming from
someone who has all the restricted/OOP cards.
BAN ALL OUT OF PRINT RESTRICTED CARDS FROM TOURNAMENT PLAY OR
DEMAND ANTE BE GIVEN - LIKE THE GAME DESIGNERS INTENDED!!!!!!!!
Peter Clark MD
Univ. of California-Irvine
psclark@uci.edu
In article <35n86o$92e@news.service.uci.edu>,
Peter S. CLARK <psclark@e4e.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
>
>
>The way the current tournaments are being played, unless you have the
>moxes/lotus combos and/or blue permission/time cards you do not win.
Yes, _some_ tournaments are set up this way. However, what many people
seem to overlook is that there are other approaches -- sealed deck, limited
composition, and ante, to name a few -- that are quickly gaining popularity
over "open" tournaments that use only the DC rules. Someone who is a
relative newcomer to the game might not be able to beat a deck that's 50%
restricted cards, but they have just as good a chance as the $2000 player
at winning a sealed deck tournament. There's no reason that both kinds
of competition can't exist.
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Braingeyser + Nicol Bolas (the 30-card Legends Millstone!)
Stasis + Obelisk of Undoing (opponent does not untap)
Lord of the Pit + 4 Nether Shadows (aka the Recycling Plant)
Aladdin + Ashnod's Transmogrant + Argivian Archaeologist (think about it...)