Origins of Gehenna (Brief Survey)

Hello All, I have yet to play in a tournament game with Gehenna. I am interested in the opinions of people who have played in a Large (20+) tournament with Gehenna Cards. I only know of Origins that fits the category, but I do not follow events outside of North America. I do not want your opinion unless you have actually participated in an event. If you were at Origins(or other qualified event), did you see any Gehenna Events? Did they have a large impact on the game? If there was a large impact, is it your opinion that the impact was helpful/hurtful, other?

David Wilson wrote: > Hello All, > > I have yet to play in a tournament game with Gehenna. I am interested in > the opinions of people who have played in a Large (20+) tournament with > Gehenna Cards. I only know of Origins that fits the category, but I do not > follow events outside of North America. > > I do not want your opinion unless you have actually participated in an > event. ah, you going to get it wether you like/want it or not. ;) > If you were at Origins(or other qualified event), did you see any Gehenna > Events? I was. There were a few played, more on Wednesday prior at the Pre Origins event hosted by Jay K. > Did they have a large impact on the game? Yes. > If there was a large impact, is it your opinion that the impact was > helpful/hurtful, other? > I'd have to list this as Other. While the cards had rather profound effects in most games, none seemed to unballanced due to them, and at this point no one seems to have mastered tweaking their decks to extract the full effects of Events, while gaining a huge advantage over the rest of the players. Although I've been toying with a couple Ideas. Raille

David Wilson wrote: > If you were at Origins(or other qualified event), did you see any Gehenna > Events? Nope. 4 tables and 25 players, I don't think I saw a single event in play the whole event. I know that at least a few decks I was at tables with had Dragonbound in them, but they never saw any play at all. > > Did they have a large impact on the game? Nope. They never hit the table. > > If there was a large impact, is it your opinion that the impact was > helpful/hurtful, other? NA I don't think anyone was playing any event heavy events in the Friday tournament that I saw. I think there were a few floating around--I'm fairly certain I saw someone with a The Unmasking in play for an ally heavy deck, presumably, but I never actually played a game with that deck. So basically, the Events didn't have a big impact so much and no one seemed to be playing Event based decks. Peter D Bakija pd...@lightlink.com http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6 "Mr. President, ask not what your rest home can do for you. Ask what you can do for your rest home." -Elvis

"David Wilson" <Wil...@vtes.org> wrote in message news:<_EZGc.55$nO....@news.itd.umich.edu>... [ quoted text not captured ] I have played three tournaments since Gehenna is sanctionned. Anthelios the red star, dragondbound, torpid blood have hit the table on each. anthelios seems to be a really powerful cards (confer the excellent article on it). I haven't seen wormwood yet, some decks are in building around it (including a mass corruption deck). Forschriit libray is really powerful too. The Unmasking is in the starting blocks there (warghoul, rafastio ghoul...), but I haven't seen them yet too.Ecxepct a deck based on events by françois Alix, there were no full events based deck in the three tournament. In final round, I was the only one who played any gehenna events (and it was Anthelios, and in a other one, Recalled to the Founder and children of inquisition). Hope that helps. Kamel Senni, Prince of Paris.

"David Wilson" <Wil...@vtes.org> wrote in message news:_EZGc.55$nO....@news.itd.umich.edu... > Hello All, > > I have yet to play in a tournament game with Gehenna. I am interested in > the opinions of people who have played in a Large (20+) tournament with > Gehenna Cards. I only know of Origins that fits the category, but I do not > follow events outside of North America. > > I do not want your opinion unless you have actually participated in an > event. > > If you were at Origins(or other qualified event), did you see any Gehenna > Events? Yes, a few. In the Thursday constructed, I was playing a "Basilia is Fueled" deck with Fueled by Heart's Blood. My Fueled hit the table quite early in both of the preliminary rounds, if I remember right. And then, I think it was in the Friday constructed, Dave Setty's Dragonbound hit the table relatively late in the game I played with him. > Did they have a large impact on the game? Sure. Fueled let my Basilia diablerize (eventually, when I got a skill card on her) without fear of blood hunts. The Dragonbound ended up contributing to my ousting of both Dave Setty and his prey at the time, Dave Pennington I think, because they had fought against each other (Setty w/Alastor and weapons, but his vamps were running out of blood, Pennington w/Blood Brothers) and torporized some of each other's vamps. Hmm, actually, I think Setty might not have taken any Dragonbound damage after all, but the Dragonbound that he was counting on killing Pennington that turn so he would have 6 more pool and a chance against me ended up *not* killing him because Pennington was able to rescue one of his two torporous vamps that turn before taking Dbound damage. Then I ousted both of them cause they both had very little pool and Dave Setty wasn't able to Second Tradition much because his vamps were at 0 to 1 blood at this point. I also heard about Matt Flint (iirc) playing Dragonbound in the Sunday tournament, I think Trey said it got Matt at least 1 VP in the game he was in, but then contributed to Matt's ousting as well? I could be wrong about this though. > If there was a large impact, is it your opinion that the impact was > helpful/hurtful, other? Helpful to the player playing the card, usually, but maybe not 100% of the time. Do you mean helpful or hurtful to the fun-ness of the game? If that, I would say hurtful in the case of Fueled, I realized after playing it a few times that that deck just Doesn't Play Well With Others, in that if it works, no one else is having fun (and so neither am I) since they can't do anything to stop all their vamps getting eaten, while if it doesn't work, I'm not having fun cause there is nothing else my deck can do. In the case of Dragonbound, I think it doesn't especially impact the fun of the game, it's just another source of pool damage for combaty decks. Josh fueled by songs of the distant heart's vitae

I saw Dragonbound played by a couple of other players and was playing it myself during the Qualifier. It seems a natural inclusion in a combat deck to augment Fame and Tension. Peter D Bakija <pd...@lightlink.com> wrote in message news:<BD122B65.182F7%pd...@lightlink.com>... [ quoted text not captured ]

Loughman wrote: > I saw Dragonbound played by a couple of other players and was playing > it myself during the Qualifier. It seems a natural inclusion in a > combat deck to augment Fame and Tension. Mark! I never see you post around these parts! Crazy! Yeah, in the Friday game, there were lots and lots of fighty decks (including my own...) and I think many of them were packing Dragonbound, but I don't think I ever saw any in play anwhere. I wasn't using Dragonbound, as I'm unconvinced that the loss of hand slot is worth it. But that is me. [ quoted text not captured ]

Peter D Bakija wrote: > Yeah, in the Friday game, there were lots and lots of fighty decks > (including my own...) and I think many of them were packing Dragonbound, but > I don't think I ever saw any in play anwhere. I wasn't using Dragonbound, as > I'm unconvinced that the loss of hand slot is worth it. But that is me. It might be a poor fit for a weenie deck. The other scenario where it may not be favorable is in a metagame that is a gore-fest, but in that case odds are someone else is playing it anyway. But aside from those, the card is pure gold. Its real strength, though, is not the extra pool damage. Once most or all your prey's existing minions are dunked, you don't need to touch him again. This frees up your rush for pure table control, allowing you to go backwards or wherever you feel you need to, without ever letting up on your prey. Lastly, if you play Dragonbound while your hand size is increased by Visit from the Capuchin, you drop back down to a hand size of seven when Visit exhausts. There are other ways to offset the handsize problem, of course, but that seems like the best one to me. __ David Cherryholmes

David Cherryholmes wrote: > Lastly, if you play Dragonbound while your hand size is increased by > Visit from the Capuchin, you drop back down to a hand size of seven when > Visit exhausts. There are other ways to offset the handsize problem, of > course, but that seems like the best one to me. Really? How does that work out? That is incredibly wacky! [ quoted text not captured ]

Peter D Bakija wrote: > David Cherryholmes wrote: > > >>Lastly, if you play Dragonbound while your hand size is increased by >>Visit from the Capuchin, you drop back down to a hand size of seven when >>Visit exhausts. There are other ways to offset the handsize problem, of >>course, but that seems like the best one to me. > > > Really? How does that work out? That is incredibly wacky! Cards played by the controller of Visit from the Capuchin are not replaced at all - this overrides any "Do Not Replace Until " clause on the cards played. [LSJ 20010913] See also: WWEF and Visit From the Capuchin. --Colin McGuigan

"David Wilson" <Wil...@vtes.org> wrote in message news:<_EZGc.55$nO....@news.itd.umich.edu>... [ quoted text not captured ] Whilst not a 20+ player tourney, teh last constructed we had in Cambridge (9 Methuselahs) I was packing some events. I got Anthelios out in one of my preliminary games, and in the Final I got out Veil of Darkness. I wasn't bothered about a drop in Hand Size, although I did have Visit in there to hopefully prevent the need to drop to 6. Veil of Darkness was useful, as you got to see at least one card that people drew most turns, and also it stopped a couple of Bleeds on me the few times they did draw a master. No Lasombra players, so no additional effect from the Obtenebration additional penalty, but no big loss there. Unfortunately, I was ousted before I could get to play Wormwood, but I don't think it would have had a big impact on the game. Cheers Andy VEKN Setite Ruler of Cambridge

[ quoted text not captured ] Example then: I've got a Visit from the Capucin with one token on it (thus eight cards in hand) Discard phase, I put a Fall of the Sabbat in play, remove the last counter on Visit, thus discarding Visit. Seven cards in hand. My hand size is now seven, right? Miller

Miller Delmardigan wrote: > Colin McGuigan wrote: >> Cards played by the controller of Visit from the Capuchin are not >> replaced at all - this overrides any "Do Not Replace Until " clause on >> the cards played. [LSJ 20010913] >> >> See also: WWEF and Visit From the Capuchin. >> > Example then: > I've got a Visit from the Capucin with one token on it (thus eight cards > in hand) > Discard phase, I put a Fall of the Sabbat in play, remove the last > counter on Visit, thus discarding Visit. Seven cards in hand. My hand > size is now seven, right? Right. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

Wow! If it's true any Event deck will use Visit from the Capuchin!!! :) :) :) But we need LSJ answer...

RavATwoFaces wrote: > Wow! If it's true any Event deck will use Visit from the Capuchin!!! :) :) :) > > But we need LSJ answer... LSJ confirmed this last month. http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=40C632AE.9030807%40white-wolf.com --Colin McGuigan

Miller Delmardigan <sabbati...@free.fr> wrote in message news:<40ee732d$0$24451$636a...@news.free.fr>... [ quoted text not captured ] You should have searched for 'Capuchin event author:lsj', it returns one result (when I did it) and it the exact answer you are looking for. Later, ~Rehlow

Peter D Bakija <pd...@lightlink.com> wrote in message news:<BD1315B5.18341%pd...@lightlink.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] Peter! My minimal computer skills have finally allowed me to wander onto the newsgroups. It took some help from the esteemed Mr Kristoff, but here I am. I usually just lurk, but am getting used to the idea of posting. I agree with the difficulty of playing a 6 card hand, after having experienced it. However, if one were using a combat scheme more based on permanent resources , like a multi-rush with guns, it probably would be more bearable. I was playing big Nos ani/pot combat, which is VERY card intensive and felt the burn in the games where I dropped it too soon.

> Wow! If it's true any Event deck will use Visit from the Capuchin!!! :) :) :) Mine already does. I have been playing with 3 in a 60 card deck (of which 14 are events), but it seems 4 might be the magic number. The main problem with the event deck is that someone across the table decides that the events are disrupting too much his play, and you end up with an extra enemy hell bent on destroying you to remove the events. Yeah, some people says "wow! it's fun having those wacky events around!", but they don't move a finger to save you. I am planning having a friend play with an event deck too, so that they are put into play faster, but i am not sure if it would be that effective... I guess I would have to put in the whole set to compensate for the fact that I wouldnt be able to put into play half of them, and some events I leaved out hurt me plenty!

Loughman wrote: > My minimal computer skills have finally allowed me to wander onto the > newsgroups. It took some help from the esteemed Mr Kristoff, but here > I am. I usually just lurk, but am getting used to the idea of posting. > > I agree with the difficulty of playing a 6 card hand, after having > experienced it. However, if one were using a combat scheme more based > on permanent resources , like a multi-rush with guns, it probably > would be more bearable. I was playing big Nos ani/pot combat, which is > VERY card intensive and felt the burn in the games where I dropped it > too soon. Very reasonable. I think decks things like an Assault Rifle/Multi Rush kinda deck (Counter Germaine/Fatima/Tariq/Whatever) will certainly do ok with a Dragonbound in play. High cycle weenie type decks, however, not so much. [ quoted text not captured ]

gpa...@hotmail.com (gabusanvtes) wrote in message news:<2687136c.04071...@posting.google.com>... > Mine already does. I have been playing with 3 in a 60 card deck (of > which 14 are events), but it seems 4 might be the magic number. > > The main problem with the event deck is that someone across the table > decides that the events are disrupting too much his play, and you end > up with an extra enemy hell bent on destroying you to remove the > events. Yeah, some people says "wow! it's fun having those wacky > events around!", but they don't move a finger to save you. > Last Friday I've played a Rock Cat deck which objective is to produce a lot of blood, create gargoyle and put in play rock cats + Wormwood in a 6 players environment. I've at the other side of the table a setite which hopes in wormwood too for his corruptions... so we play together and we wipe the table with a 3(me)-2(setite)-1(malkavian S&B) points. In a norlmal environment I think the deck has no hope to win, but in 2 working together it has a *BIG* advantage! Ah! This is the deck: Crypt was composed by 13 vamps: 2x Muaziz, Archon of 7 THA aus dom for Tremere:2 1x Saxum, Master of S 6 FOR VIS pot pre Gargoyle:2 1x Alejandro Aguirre 5 ani aus dom tha !Tremere:3 1x Kyoko Shinsegawa 5 aus cel dom for Tremere:3 1x Fidus, The Shrunke 4 for tha vis Gargoyle:2 1x Thelonius 4 aus dom tha !Tremere:2 1x Brooke 3 dom tha !Tremere:2 1x Ehrich Weiss 3 dom tha Tremere:3 1x Ember Wright 3 aus dom !Tremere:3 1x Erinyi 3 pot vis Gargoyle:2 1x Saiz 3 aus dom !Tremere:3 1x Mustafa Rahman 2 dom Tremere:2 Actions(18): 4x Armor of Terra 4x Create gargoyle 6x Force of will 4x Soul of the earth Allies (6): 6x Rock Cat Combat (15): 6x Disarm 4x Skin of steel 3x Infection 2x Superior Mettle Equipment (2): 2x Leather Jacket Event (12) 1x Absimiliard's Army 1x Blood Trade 1x Blood Weakens 1x Conquest of Humanity 1x Dragonbound 1x Fueled by Heart's Blood 1x Restricted Vitae 1x Slow Withering, The 1x The New Inquisition 1x Torpid Blood 1x Unmasking, The 1x Wormwood Master (27): 1x Academic Hunting Ground 7x Blood dolls 2x Carver's Meat Packing and Storage 1x Creepshow Casino 4x Forshitt library 2x Fortitude 1x Fragment of the book of Nod 3x Parthenon 1x Potence 1x University Hunting Ground 4x Visit from the capuchin Reactions (10): 8x Deflection 2x WWEF RavATwoFaces