Rules Q: Paulo de Castlle

Cardname: Paulo de Castille Cardtype: Vampire Set: Third Sect: Sabbat Group: 4 Clan: Lasombra Capacity: 4 Discipline: ani dom pot Cardtext: Sabbat: When Paulo is put into play during your influence phase, you may move 1 blood from him to any Lasombra in your uncontrolled region. So, I have transferred four blood to him, and following rule 7 in the rules book he moves to the ready region. I more one blood from him to Banjoko with four counters on him before Paulo entered play. Does rule 7 force Banjoko to move to the ready region? Compare Cardname: Angela Preston Cardtype: Vampire Set: BL Sect: Camarilla Group: 2 Clan: Daughter of Cacophony Capacity: 5 Discipline: for MEL PRE Cardtext: Camarilla: Angela must burn 1 blood to attempt to block an older vampire. You may tap Angela during your influence phase to untap any other vampire. and the ruling on http://groups.google.se/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_thread/thread/fc76ffb8983a959/afaf2fd7582c6102?lnk=gst&q=angela+preston+end+of+influence&rnum=1&hl=en#afaf2fd7582c6102 that her special doesn't work when she is influenced because the 'at the end of the influence phase' is not 'during the influence phase' (which is kind of weird for me because at the end of combat is still considered to be during combat, see 6.4). Sten -- More ramblings at http://yapvamp.blogspot.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Sten Düring wrote: > > Cardname: Paulo de Castille > Cardtype: Vampire > Set: Third > Sect: Sabbat > Group: 4 > Clan: Lasombra > Capacity: 4 > Discipline: ani dom pot > Cardtext: Sabbat: When Paulo is put into play during your influence > phase, you may move 1 blood from him to any Lasombra in your > uncontrolled region. > > > So, I have transferred four blood to him, and following rule 7 in > the rules book he moves to the ready region. I more one blood from > him to Banjoko with four counters on him before Paulo entered play. > > Does rule 7 force Banjoko to move to the ready region? Yes. > Compare > > Cardname: Angela Preston > Cardtype: Vampire > Set: BL > Sect: Camarilla > Group: 2 > Clan: Daughter of Cacophony > Capacity: 5 > Discipline: for MEL PRE > Cardtext: Camarilla: Angela must burn 1 blood to attempt to block an > older vampire. You may tap Angela during your influence phase to untap > any other vampire. > > and the ruling on > http://groups.google.se/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_thread/thread/fc76ffb8983a959/afaf2fd7582c6102?lnk=gst&q=angela+preston+end+of+influence&rnum=1&hl=en#afaf2fd7582c6102 > > that her special doesn't work when she is influenced because the > 'at the end of the influence phase' is not 'during the influence phase' > (which is kind of weird for me because at the end of combat is still > considered to be during combat, see 6.4). Contrast: "when moved" vs. "during your influence". The influence phase is effectively handled in two stages: the "during your influence phase" stuff and then the "end of influence phase stuff" (which is when uncontrolled minions are moved to the ready region if they have sufficient influence).

[ quoted text not captured ] > >http://groups.google.se/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_th... > > > that her special doesn't work when she is influenced because the > > 'at the end of the influence phase' is not 'during the influence phase' > > (which is kind of weird for me because at the end of combat is still > > considered to be during combat, see 6.4). > > Contrast: "when moved" vs. "during your influence". > > The influence phase is effectively handled in two stages: the "during your > influence phase" stuff and then the "end of influence phase stuff" (which is > when uncontrolled minions are moved to the ready region if they have sufficient > influence). http://groups.google.se/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/dc7ef8c26161b4e3?hl=en& In here you state specifically that moving into the ready region happens at the end of the influence phase, which is distinct from during the influence phase. Paulo states that when he is moved into play DURING the influence phase, move a blood to another Lasombra. (Emphasis mine). Where does the trigger for his ability occur then? If he moves to the ready region at the end of your influence phase, then as per the ruling above, it is no longer during the influence phase, and the effect does not occur. However if the effect DOES occur, then by definition and card text it has to be during the influence phase, which allows al during influence phase effects to occur. Which is it? Quote follows for those who do not want to follow thread links " LSJ Feb 25 2002, 1:36 pm Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad From: LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 06:36:03 -0500 Local: Mon, Feb 25 2002 1:36 pm Subject: Re: Daughter of Cacophany questions Sten During wrote: > Ok, but if I influence up two vampires, one of which is Angela, then I > get to choose in which order I do that, and tapping may be done anytime > unless otherwise specified. After Angela comes into play, even though > that is at the end of my influencephase there still has to be some > influencephase left before vampire number two is influenced, and that > tiny timewindow ought to be enough. Cornercase, yes I know. Good effort, but still won't work. Once you reach the end of your influence phase, you cannot do any "during your influence phase" stuff."

[ quoted text not captured ] When he is moved into the ready region. Card text. Just like "during a political action" means "during the referendum" in all cases except when it is clear that it means something else (like when generating intercept). > If > he moves to the ready region at the end of your influence phase, then > as per the ruling above, it is no longer during the influence phase, > and the effect does not occur. No. Both are parts of the influence phase. There's the main (default) part, which is where the normal (or undifferentiated) stuff happens (the stuff that isn't specifically about the second part). > However if the effect DOES occur, then > by definition and card text it has to be during the influence phase, > which allows al during influence phase effects to occur. Which is it? As stated. It occurs in the second part. After the normal stuff. [ quoted text not captured ]