[Question] Chantry

Chantry reads 'A tremere leaves torpor' Now there either is a 'you control' lacking in between there, or the card is quite funny if more then one player is using tremere in a game :P Basically I've been wondering for quite a few years what the card is supposed to do. Rescue any Tremere, even if you do not control them, or just your own? (Either way it's still a good card though) //Doc.

In message <410edf11$0$48933$e4fe...@news.xs4all.nl>, The Doctor <D...@freemail.nl> mumbled something about: >Basically I've been wondering for quite a few years what the card is >supposed to do. >Rescue any Tremere, even if you do not control them, or just your own? Latest card text reads: "Master: unique location. During your master phase, you may tap this card and burn 1 pool or 1 blood from any ready Tremere you control to move any Tremere from torpor to his or her controller's ready region." -- Derek a host is a host from coast to coast and no one will talk to a host that's close unless the host that isn't close is busy, hung, or dead

The Doctor <D...@freemail.nl> wrote in message news:<410edf11$0$48933$e4fe...@news.xs4all.nl>... > Chantry reads 'A tremere leaves torpor' > > Now there either is a 'you control' lacking in between there, or the card > is quite funny if more then one player is using tremere in a game :P > > Basically I've been wondering for quite a few years what the card is > supposed to do. > Rescue any Tremere, even if you do not control them, or just your own? > What do you want the card to say? I mean, doesn't your playgroup have a complete index of rulings on Jyhad cards according to how you think the cards should operate in the RPG? Fill in the blanks. Play it however you want. Alternatively you could look at http://www.white-wolf.com, which has complete errata, rulings, and clarifications for every card printed in the game since 1994. -Eric Manch

Derek Ray <lor...@yahoo.com> wrote: > In message <410edf11$0$48933$e4fe...@news.xs4all.nl>, > The Doctor <D...@freemail.nl> mumbled something about: > >>Basically I've been wondering for quite a few years what the card is >>supposed to do. >>Rescue any Tremere, even if you do not control them, or just your own? > > Latest card text reads: Hmm, seems like many card text migrations do not make it to the card text migrations webpage... This changed text obviously makes it a choice, rather than a mandatory effect. This makes Chantry even stronger then I figured. Oh well, I'll spread the word in our group. //Doc.

"The Doctor" <D...@freemail.nl> wrote in message news:410fa47c$0$21106$e4fe...@news.xs4all.nl... > Hmm, seems like many card text migrations do not make it to the card text > migrations webpage... > > This changed text obviously makes it a choice, rather than a mandatory > effect. This makes Chantry even stronger then I figured. In 1994/1995, all locations were optional by default. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

sleeveboy <sleev...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > What do you want the card to say? My question was quite clear. I wanted to know what it was supposed to do. Our group has been playing the card as a mandatory effect on any Tremere in torpor for quite a while, but since we are in the process of adapting to the official rules we need to know the official take on things. > Alternatively you could look at http://www.white-wolf.com, which has > complete errata, rulings, and clarifications for every card printed in > the game since 1994. I assumed the 'card text migrations' page would contain all migrations. It appears I assumed wrong there. It will be a painstaking task to go through all current cardtext to see what they have missed I guess. Maybe some day. //Doc.

"The Doctor" <D...@freemail.nl> wrote in message news:410fa79b$0$21106$e4fe...@news.xs4all.nl... > I assumed the 'card text migrations' page would contain all migrations. It contains only the functional changes. It contains all of the functional changes, AFAIK. If any omissions are found, please let me know. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > In 1994/1995, all locations were optional by default. By what rule? I see nothing of the sorts in my Jyhad rulebook (which is pretty much useless by now of course) with a quick scan. //Doc.

"The Doctor" <D...@freemail.nl> wrote in message news:410fb00f$0$21106$e4fe...@news.xs4all.nl... [ quoted text not captured ] http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3mhu1a%24h3g%40darkstar.UCSC.EDU [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> schreef in bericht news:2n9nkqF...@uni-berlin.de... > "The Doctor" <D...@freemail.nl> wrote in message news:410fa79b$0$21106$e4fe...@news.xs4all.nl... > > I assumed the 'card text migrations' page would contain all migrations. > > It contains only the functional changes. It contains all of the > functional changes, AFAIK. > > If any omissions are found, please let me know. Well, in the case of Chantry I suppose he has a point. The VTES/Jyhad versions doesn't require you to tap it, which doesn't make a difference currently since there's no card to tap it with during the owners master phase. It also says "a Tremere leaves torpor" implying it's mandatory. Finally, it kinda suggests you can use it for multiple Tremere during the same master phase, which I realize is not possible due to the "during x do y" rule, but still...

"Izaak" <i.hav...@SPAMklg.nl> wrote in message news:ceok95$sg9$1...@reader13.wxs.nl... > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> schreef in bericht > > It contains only the functional changes. It contains all of the > > functional changes, AFAIK. > > > > If any omissions are found, please let me know. > > Well, in the case of Chantry I suppose he has a point. The VTES/Jyhad > versions doesn't require you to tap it, which doesn't make a difference > currently since there's no card to tap it with during the owners master > phase. It also says "a Tremere leaves torpor" implying it's mandatory. > > Finally, it kinda suggests you can use it for multiple Tremere during > the same master phase, which I realize is not possible due to the > "during x do y" rule, but still... Umm, right. That was the point of "functional". If the change wasn't functional, the change isn't listed. [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:2na5e9F...@uni-berlin.de... > "Izaak" <i.hav...@SPAMklg.nl> wrote in message news:ceok95$sg9$1...@reader13.wxs.nl... > > Well, in the case of Chantry I suppose he has a point. The VTES/Jyhad > > versions doesn't require you to tap it, which doesn't make a difference > > currently since there's no card to tap it with during the owners master > > phase. It also says "a Tremere leaves torpor" implying it's mandatory. > > > > Finally, it kinda suggests you can use it for multiple Tremere during > > the same master phase, which I realize is not possible due to the > > "during x do y" rule, but still... > > Umm, right. > That was the point of "functional". > If the change wasn't functional, the change isn't listed. Well, technically, having the Chantry tap for its effect instead of just being written "during X do Y" is a change in the function. It will almost never matter, but if, for example, Succubus Club is used to give control of the Chantry to a different Methuselah, the new controller can't use it if it's still tapped from its last use (while it would have been usable with the Jyhad wording). Josh did someone say "improbable"?

On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:54:50 -0400, "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> scrawled: >http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3mhu1a%24h3g%40darkstar.UCSC.EDU from that link we get Tom's FAQ. in there there's some funny stuff, like: "Retainers: When the vampire attacks, the retainer must take their action unless the card states otherwise." yup. i'm all clear now. salem domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm (replace "hotmail" with "yahoo" to email)

Joshua Duffin wrote: > did someone say "improbable"? More probable : predator uses Remover. -- Francois Gombault GPG key: http://hopeless.homelinux.org:2080/~francois/gpg/08A1B422.asc I WILL STOP TALKING ABOUT THE TWELVE INCH PIANIST -- Bart Simpson on chalkboard

On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 11:20:24 +0200, Francois Gombault <gombault...@BROKEN.ADDRESS.wanadoo.fr> scrawled: >Joshua Duffin wrote: >> did someone say "improbable"? > >More probable : predator uses Remover. then the person with Chantry has their untap phase just before their master phase..... [ quoted text not captured ]

salem wrote: > then the person with Chantry has their untap phase just before their > master phase..... (Damn! Must find a quick way out of this) Untap phase is broken! *runs* -- Francois Gombault GPG key: http://hopeless.homelinux.org:2080/~francois/gpg/08A1B422.asc I WILL NOT SHOW OFF -- Bart Simpson on chalkboard

"Francois Gombault" <gombault...@BROKEN.ADDRESS.wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:ceqmvi$n74$1...@news-reader1.wanadoo.fr... > salem wrote: > > then the person with Chantry has their untap phase just before their > > master phase..... > > (Damn! Must find a quick way out of this) > > Untap phase is broken! > *runs* hehehe, good answer. :-) Josh colin is broken!

"Francois Gombault" <gombault...@BROKEN.ADDRESS.wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:ceqmvi$n74$1...@news-reader1.wanadoo.fr... > salem wrote: > > then the person with Chantry has their untap phase just before their > > master phase..... > > (Damn! Must find a quick way out of this) > > Untap phase is broken! > *runs* > LOL! DaveZ Atom Weaver

Francois Gombault <gombault...@BROKEN.ADDRESS.wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:<ceq9f8$cg5$1...@news-reader4.wanadoo.fr>... > More probable : predator uses Remover. Between the Chantry controller's untap phase and master phase? :)

Francois Gombault <gombault...@BROKEN.ADDRESS.wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:<ceq9f8$cg5$1...@news-reader4.wanadoo.fr>... > Joshua Duffin wrote: > > did someone say "improbable"? > > More probable : predator uses Remover. Between your untap and master phases? Your predator is broken!

Francois Gombault wrote: > (Damn! Must find a quick way out of this) > > Untap phase is broken! > *runs* Has "X is broken!" become a meme? I've noticed that it's popped up a lot here in Chicago, but thought it was just a localized thing... --Colin McGuigan

"Colin McGuigan" <magu...@BGONEspeakeasy.net> escribió en el mensaje news:Ie2dndyWXdG...@speakeasy.net... [ quoted text not captured ] Here the common call is "another jyhad is possible", specially when someone comes to a tournament with a "didi meyers bleeds for 6" or a second turn "horatio+jake washington+warghoul" or an "Miniontaparikaforsixkrcvotercapfreaksuperiorgovernfreakbleedforsixyourturn" decks

Colin McGuigan <magu...@bgonespeakeasy.net> wrote: > > Has "X is broken!" become a meme? I've noticed that it's popped up a > lot here in Chicago, but thought it was just a localized thing... Whenever someone manages to use some card in a useful (winning) way by thinking of the right combo someone will probably yell about a card in the combo being broken. It's part of CCG tradition. //Doc.

"Colin McGuigan" <magu...@BGONEspeakeasy.net> wrote in message news:Ie2dndyWXdG...@speakeasy.net... [ quoted text not captured ] We totally started it in DC. "Colin is broken" began a long-standing tradition of brokenness here. :-) (And for that matter, "sevens are broken" is something you might hear in a local poker game, hehehe.) Josh also, "the cheating phase never ends"

"The Doctor" <D...@freemail.nl> > Whenever someone manages to use some card in a useful (winning) way by > thinking of the right combo someone will probably yell about a card > in the combo being broken. > > It's part of CCG tradition. seconded =)