[LSJ] question on when bleed reduction is applied

We had a situation come up in a game yesterday that caused some disagreement. A vampire with a base bleed of 1 was bleeding with an inferior Govern the Unaligned. The person being bled reduced the bleed using Telepathic Counter at AUS and Folderol. The bleeding vampire then pumped the bleed with a Bonding, giving an additional +1 bleed (4 bleed without the reduction applied). The disagreement arose as to when the bleed reduction is applied. Is the bleed reduction applied as it is played? Or does the bleed reduction only count when you arrive at the resolution of the bleed (i.e when determining how much pool to burn for a sucessful bleed)? The important factor here is that the Methuselah being bled held an Archon Investigation in hand...was the bleeding vampire a legal target for AI prior to the bleed resolving? Thanks Doug

In message <2778f4d5.03062...@posting.google.com>, Doug <mess...@yahoo.com> writes: >We had a situation come up in a game yesterday that caused some >disagreement. A vampire with a base bleed of 1 was bleeding with an >inferior Govern the Unaligned. The person being bled reduced the >bleed using Telepathic Counter at AUS and Folderol. The bleeding >vampire then pumped the bleed with a Bonding, giving an additional +1 >bleed (4 bleed without the reduction applied). > >The disagreement arose as to when the bleed reduction is applied. Is >the bleed reduction applied as it is played? The running total can go negative. e.g. bleed for 1, reduce for 2, running total -1, Threats at superior running total 1. >The important factor here is that the Methuselah being bled held an >Archon Investigation in hand...was the bleeding vampire a legal target >for AI prior to the bleed resolving? The bleed is reduced when the card resolves. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D Lucky that my breasts are small and humble, EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 So you don't confuse them with mountains. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D

James Coupe wrote: > In message <2778f4d5.03062...@posting.google.com>, Doug > <mess...@yahoo.com> writes: > >>We had a situation come up in a game yesterday that caused some >>disagreement. A vampire with a base bleed of 1 was bleeding with an >>inferior Govern the Unaligned. The person being bled reduced the >>bleed using Telepathic Counter at AUS and Folderol. The bleeding >>vampire then pumped the bleed with a Bonding, giving an additional +1 >>bleed (4 bleed without the reduction applied). >> >>The disagreement arose as to when the bleed reduction is applied. Is >>the bleed reduction applied as it is played? > > > The running total can go negative. e.g. bleed for 1, reduce for 2, > running total -1, Threats at superior running total 1. > > >>The important factor here is that the Methuselah being bled held an >>Archon Investigation in hand...was the bleeding vampire a legal target >>for AI prior to the bleed resolving? > > > The bleed is reduced when the card resolves. Correct. The answer is the same when the question is "Is the bleed increase applied as it is played?" (which would be an equally valid question in the case described). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/