Elysium and thoughts betrayed

I like this new ruling of only Cam vs. Cam. It's mean lol. It sucks for my Setites, though. I disagree with the "only 1 Archbishop or Prince per city rule' let'em fight!! Quick question to the ppl with new cards; Is Thoughts betrayed reprinted and if so with the word "strike' on it? Thannnnnks, Jeff Prince of Cleveland

Quick question to the ppl with new cards; Is Thoughts betrayed reprinted and if so with the word "strike' on it? yes it is reprinted with "strike"

> I disagree with the "only 1 Archbishop or Prince per city rule' >let'em fight!! Same here and I really hope that this is reversed. But one slight problem is that they've printed a new card that seems to support this new ruling. Courtesy of Ethan's Library Monger: Blood Siege Worth 1 Vote. Called by any Archbishop, Priscus, or Cardinal at +1 stealth. No action modifiers can be played during or after this referendum. Choose a ready Sabbat vampire and a ready prince. Successful referendum means that that prince loses his title and the Sabbat vampire becomes archbishop of that city. Any ready vampire can gain votes during this referendum by burning one blood per vote gained. I personally don't like this card and methinks (IMO) that it may be a tad broken. Well at least all of those people whining about how the Camarilla has so many advantages over the Sabbat will have to tone down a bit. Blood Siege is not only a Crusade, but it ALSO strips a Prince of his title (a la Command of the Harpies). Of course it would be hard to use against dedicated vote decks, but the casual deck that "happens" to have a Prince might easily fall victim to the Siege. Halcyan 2

In article <20001101152902...@ng-fi1.aol.com>, halc...@aol.com (Halcyan 2) wrote: > > I disagree with the "only 1 Archbishop or Prince per city rule' > >let'em fight!! > > Same here and I really hope that this is reversed. > > But one slight problem is that they've printed a new card that seems to support > this new ruling. Courtesy of Ethan's Library Monger: > > Blood Siege > > Worth 1 Vote. Called by any Archbishop, Priscus, or Cardinal at +1 stealth. > > No action modifiers can be played during or after this referendum. Choose a > ready Sabbat vampire and a ready prince. Successful referendum means that that > prince loses his title and the Sabbat vampire becomes archbishop of that city. > Any ready vampire can gain votes during this referendum by burning one blood > per vote gained. The card doesn't state that you may not play reaction cards, so Dread Gaze(s) are allowed? And I'd guess you could use that Closed-Session- for_sabbat card in conjunction with he card as well? > > I personally don't like this card and methinks (IMO) that it may be a tad > broken. Well at least all of those people whining about how the Camarilla has > so many advantages over the Sabbat will have to tone down a bit. Blood Siege is > not only a Crusade, but it ALSO strips a Prince of his title (a la Command of > the Harpies). Of course it would be hard to use against dedicated vote decks, > but the casual deck that "happens" to have a Prince might easily fall victim to > the Siege. > > Halcyan 2 > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

In article <8tqd40$uiu$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, cantila <rogc...@student.luth.se> wrote: > In article <20001101152902...@ng-fi1.aol.com>, > halc...@aol.com (Halcyan 2) wrote: > > > I disagree with the "only 1 Archbishop or Prince per city rule' > > >let'em fight!! > > > > Same here and I really hope that this is reversed. > > > > But one slight problem is that they've printed a new card that seems > to support this new ruling. Courtesy of Ethan's Library Monger: > > > > Blood Siege > > > > Worth 1 Vote. Called by any Archbishop, Priscus, or Cardinal at +1 > stealth. > > > > No action modifiers can be played during or after this referendum. > Choose a ready Sabbat vampire and a ready prince. Successful > referendum means that that prince loses his title and the Sabbat > vampire becomes archbishop of that city. Any ready vampire can gain > votes during this referendum by burning one blood per vote gained. > > The card doesn't state that you may not play reaction cards, so Dread > Gaze(s) are allowed? And I'd guess you could use that Closed-Session- > for_sabbat card in conjunction with he card as well? You may play Dread Gaze and Surprise Influence if someone else calls the vote. You may not play any action modifiers during or after this referendum, so NO, you may not play Private Audience during this vote. Carpe Noctem. Lasombra http://lasombra.tripod.com http://legbiter.tripod.com [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <8tqfkm$lm$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, [ quoted text not captured ] I'm a bit confused over "after the referendum" as well. For how long does that last?? [ quoted text not captured ]

cantila <rogc...@student.luth.se> wrote: [huge snippage re: Blood Seige] > I'm a bit confused over "after the referendum" as well. For how long > does that last?? For the duration of the action. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]

>You may play Dread Gaze and Surprise Influence if someone else calls >the vote. You may not play any action modifiers during or after this >referendum, so NO, you may not play Private Audience during this vote. Yeah, the card does put the acting Methusaleh at somewhat of a disadvantage in that no Private Audience, no Bewitching Oration, no Telepathic Vote Counting, and no Kindred Manipulation can be played. Yes, through the use of Dread Gaze, Surprise Influence, Pulling Strings, Kindred Coercion, etc.. But the problem is that it's rare that any of these reaction cards "happen" to be in your deck. Yes, an anti-vote deck will make short work of the vote, but I don't think a "typical" deck is able to defend against it (unless it burns massive blood). BTW: The "after" referendum applies mainly to cards like Cryptic Rider and Voter Captivation. With the ability to burn blood for extra votes, these two could be made a little too powerful. Note that it would be particularly nasty to play Blood Siege AFTER a Cryptic Rider, Malk Rider Clause, or Charming Lobby. Sorry, this passes automatically! Halcyan 2

On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, cantila wrote: > I'm a bit confused over "after the referendum" as well. For how long > does that last?? The action, as per default. It stops Cryptic Rider et al. -- James Coupe | PGP Key 0x5D623D5D "And all the while I'm thinking things that I can never share with him. I'm a bundle of confusion, yet it has a strange appeal. Did it all begin with him and the way he makes me feel?"

On 2 Nov 2000, Halcyan 2 wrote: > >You may play Dread Gaze and Surprise Influence if someone else calls > >the vote. You may not play any action modifiers during or after this > >referendum, so NO, you may not play Private Audience during this vote. > > Yeah, the card does put the acting Methusaleh at somewhat of a disadvantage in > that no Private Audience, no Bewitching Oration, no Telepathic Vote Counting, > and no Kindred Manipulation can be played. Yes, through the use of Dread Gaze, > Surprise Influence, Pulling Strings, Kindred Coercion, etc.. But the problem is > that it's rare that any of these reaction cards "happen" to be in your deck. Possibly, this sort of thing will cause an interesting shift in the meta-game to including more such cards in decks. And a good thing too, in my opinion. Vote defence has long revolved around not having any or Delaying Tactics. New defences being required will be Good (tm). [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <Pine.SOL.4.21.00110...@orange.csi.cam.ac.uk>, James Coupe <jr...@cam.ac.uk> wrote: >On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, cantila wrote: >> I'm a bit confused over "after the referendum" as well. For how long >> does that last?? > >The action, as per default. > >It stops Cryptic Rider et al. Strictly in the interests of pedantry (MORE PEDANTRY!), I should point out that it wouldn't stop the effects of a Cryptic Rider played on a previous political action, just forbid the playing of a CR in the event of the current referendum's passing. gomi -- you say they taught you how to read and write yeah, they taught you how to count i say they taught you how to buy and sell your own body by the pound

On 2 Nov 2000, Gomi no Sensei wrote: > >It stops Cryptic Rider et al. > > Strictly in the interests of pedantry (MORE PEDANTRY!), I should point > out that it wouldn't stop the effects of a Cryptic Rider played on a > previous political action, just forbid the playing of a CR in the > event of the current referendum's passing. Sorry, yes. I meant "it stops it being played". [ quoted text not captured ]