{LSJ} Chaundice+AoT+agg damage

Good evening. My play group came accross an interesting moment the other night. Someone played an aggravated damage strike on Chaundice, who had an Armour of Terra. Can Chaundice use his special ability to prevent the aggravated damage in this circumstance? We were undecided. Thanks for your time, -Tim Chaundice, 8, FOR POT VIS vic, Gargoyle, 4, Sabbat. Tremere Antitribu Slave: Twice each combat, Chaundice may prevent up to 2 non-aggravated damage from the opposing minion's strikes that round. Flight. Armor of Terra, Action, 1 blood, Visceratika/Thaumaturgy +1 stealth action. [tha] Put this card on a slave Gargoyle you control. The Gargoyle with this card treats aggravated damage as normal damage. Burn this card if this Gargoyle goes to torpor. A Gargoyle can have only one Armor of Terra. [vis] As [tha] above, but put this card on this acting Gargoyle. [VIS] As [vis] above, and the Gargoyle with this card may prevent 1 damage each combat.

timmy wrote: > Good evening. > > My play group came accross an interesting moment the other night. > > Someone played an aggravated damage strike on Chaundice, who had an > Armour of Terra. > > Can Chaundice use his special ability to prevent the aggravated damage > in this circumstance? We were undecided. He may not. The damage is still aggravated damage, it's just when Chaundice has to resolve it (after damage prevention), he just burns a blood to heal, instead of first one wounding him, and latter ones burn a blood or be burned. see: http://groups.google.com.au/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/0a6fe6508e6fc6ae?hl=en > Thanks for your time, you're welcome. -- salem

On Mar 8, 11:27 am, timmy <twat...@tpg.com.au> wrote: > Good evening. > > My play group came accross an interesting moment the other night. > > Someone played an aggravated damage strike on Chaundice, who had an > Armour of Terra. > > Can Chaundice use his special ability to prevent the aggravated damage > in this circumstance? We were undecided. > > Thanks for your time, > > -Tim No, she cannot. The damage is still aggravated even if the vampire treats it as normal when it is resolved. Ref: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_thread/thread/82c1f760cd9e67c/52451db2d8eaabf5?q=prevent+aggravated+damage+author:lsj&bcsi_scan_31299AF6BF590075=xNSWLF+FZ478ogyX9jS1F48QVlkEAAAAGb9oFw== YY [ quoted text not captured ]

I would argue that Chaundice can prevent the damage. The examples and rulings linked to by others in this topic are cases of combat cards like Soak and Leathery Hide trying to handle the agg damage. They don't work because the text on Armor of Terra says, "The Gargoyle with this card treats aggravated damage as normal damage" not "The Gargoyle with this card, and cards this Gargoyle plays, treat aggravated damage as normal damage". However, because Chaundice's damage prevention is inherent text, it is encompassed as being a part of "The Gargoyle with this card". I may be totally off base on this though. So maybe a more official ruling is in order. BenD On Mar 7, 10:30 pm, YY <the1andonl...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote: > On Mar 8, 11:27 am, timmy <twat...@tpg.com.au> wrote: > > > Good evening. > > > My play group came accross an interesting moment the other night. > > > Someone played an aggravated damage strike on Chaundice, who had an > > Armour of Terra. > > > Can Chaundice use his special ability to prevent the aggravated damage > > in this circumstance? We were undecided. > > > Thanks for your time, > > > -Tim > > No, she cannot. The damage is still aggravated even if the vampire > treats it as normal when it is resolved. > > Ref:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_t... [ quoted text not captured ]

On Mar 8, 1:33 am, BenD <creator...@gmail.com> wrote: > I would argue that Chaundice can prevent the damage. > > The examples and rulings linked to by others in this topic are cases > of combat cards like Soak and Leathery Hide trying to handle the agg > damage. They don't work because the text on Armor of Terra says, "The > Gargoyle with this card treats aggravated damage as normal damage" not > "The Gargoyle with this card, and cards this Gargoyle plays, treat > aggravated damage as normal damage". However, because Chaundice's > damage prevention is inherent text, it is encompassed as being a part > of "The Gargoyle with this card". > > I may be totally off base on this though. So maybe a more official > ruling is in order. ? The official ruling was cited. > On Mar 7, 10:30 pm, YY <the1andonl...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote: > > On Mar 8, 11:27 am, timmy <twat...@tpg.com.au> wrote: > > > Someone played an aggravated damage strike on Chaundice, who had an > > > Armour of Terra. > > > Can Chaundice use his special ability to prevent the aggravated damage > > > in this circumstance? We were undecided. > [ quoted text not captured ]

Then would that mean the text on a crypt card is not considered a part of that minion?

On Mar 8, 1:09 pm, BenD <creator...@gmail.com> wrote: > Then would that mean the text on a crypt card is not considered a part > of that minion? No, it doesn't mean that.

[ quoted text not captured ] Could you specify then, that treating aggravated damage as normal damage during combat is only pertinent during the second step of damage resolution?

[ quoted text not captured ] Because how he ends up handling the damage (burning blood to heal in the case of normal damage or any damage treated as normal damage, or burning blood to prevent destruction in the case of aggravated damage or ay damage treated as aggravated damage) doesn't change the nature of the damage. It's still aggravated. And his special is "prevent up to 2 non-aggravated damage".