There is something that I think is kinda odd...
What made me think about it is this vampire:
Ayo Igoli, 10, obf tha AUS CEL FOR PRE , Ishtarri, 4, [LoB]
Laibon. Igoli gains an additional vote for each titled vampire you control.
*You may use a discard phase action to move 2 blood from Igoli to a Laibon
in your uncontrolled region.*
So, since the discard phase comes after the influence phase is this correct?
1) A vampire that gets to full capacity by using Ayo's special, does not
enter play before your *next* influence phase (which is obviously your next
turn)
2) If that vampire happens to have more than capacity blood on him or her
after doing so, it doesn't drain off until your next influence phase.
That said, it's feels weird because according to the rulebook *allies* move
into your ready region in the, um, "End of Turn phase" which comes after the
discard phase. For some reason that I can't really comprehend the mechanics
are apparently different for vampires and allies. In fact, I didn't even
know it was different until someone played Ayo in our games last week. What
makes me bring this up mostly, however, is that Imbued are treated as allies
and also happen to be crypt cards. I assume that they therefore move into
the ready region *after* the discard phase which may or may not make a
difference with the discard and influence phases being more explored
recently and maybe in the future. It looks to me like an odd unbalance
that's kinda confusing and not really needed.
Also, what if in the future there would be some way to make an imbued a
Laibon. Yeh I know, far fetched, but just for argument's sake.
Related: looking at the actual words of the rulebook here, Imbued cannot
ever enter play, because the rules say this:
About allies entering play (6.1.5)
"At the end of the turn, any allies that were placed in your uncontrolled
region (to indicate that they cannot act) are moved to your ready region."
Imbued crypt cards are not "moved to" the uncontrolled region since they are
already there to begin with so they don't count. One could argue they are
moved into the uncontrolled region at the beginning of the game, but that
would mean they all get to move into your ready region from the get-go.
About the influence phase (7)
"At the end of your influence phase, any vampire in your uncontrolled region
with a number of blood counters on him equal to (or more than) his capacity
becomes controlled. The vampire is turned face up and moved to the ready
region, untapped. The counters are kept on him to represent his blood
(counters in excess of his capacity drain off immediately as usual)."
Since imbued are not vampires, they don't enter play due to this rule
either. I realize we all understand how it works and everyone is moving his
imbued to the ready region quite fine, but well... if the influence phase
and discard phase are going to see more cards and effects happening in them,
it'd be nice for someone like, well me I guess, if the rules don't allow for
multiple interpretation.
That, or I'm missing something really obvious.
Izaak wrote:
> There is something that I think is kinda odd...
>
> What made me think about it is this vampire:
>
> Ayo Igoli, 10, obf tha AUS CEL FOR PRE , Ishtarri, 4, [LoB]
> Laibon. Igoli gains an additional vote for each titled vampire you control.
> *You may use a discard phase action to move 2 blood from Igoli to a Laibon
> in your uncontrolled region.*
>
> So, since the discard phase comes after the influence phase is this correct?
>
> 1) A vampire that gets to full capacity by using Ayo's special, does not
> enter play before your *next* influence phase (which is obviously your next
> turn)
> 2) If that vampire happens to have more than capacity blood on him or her
> after doing so, it doesn't drain off until your next influence phase.
Yes.
> That said, it's feels weird because according to the rulebook *allies* move
> into your ready region in the, um, "End of Turn phase" which comes after the
> discard phase.
Allies are placed into the uncontrolled region, controlled but not ready (and
unable to act) when recruited, where they remain until the end of the turn.
"End of turn" comes in the discard phase; it isn't its own phase.
> For some reason that I can't really comprehend the mechanics
> are apparently different for vampires and allies.
Well, they're different for influencing and recruiting, to be precise. The
reasons for that are relatively obvious. Influencing is done during the
influence phase.
Full vampires could have been left in the uncontrolled region until the end of
the turn, but the designers probably (and correctly, IMO) decided that it was
more natural to bring them out in the influence phase.
Likewise newly-recruited allies could have been moved to the ready region at the
end of the influence phase, but "end of turn" is more natural.
> In fact, I didn't even
> know it was different until someone played Ayo in our games last week. What
> makes me bring this up mostly, however, is that Imbued are treated as allies
> and also happen to be crypt cards. I assume that they therefore move into
> the ready region *after* the discard phase which may or may not make a
> difference with the discard and influence phases being more explored
> recently and maybe in the future. It looks to me like an odd unbalance
> that's kinda confusing and not really needed.
Imbued are crypt cards. They are influenced, not recruited. A fully-influenced
Imbued moves from the uncontrolled region to the ready region at the end of the
influence phase.
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> Imbued are crypt cards. They are influenced, not recruited. A
> fully-influenced Imbued moves from the uncontrolled region to the ready
> region at the end of the influence phase.
Yeah I know how it's supposed to work, but the rulebook doesn't say that. In
chapter 7 under influence phase it specifically says "vampire" and not
"ally", "imbued" or "crypt card".
So some rewording is IMO be in place there as well as for the ally section.
In 6.5.1 it could instead say "allies that were recruited during your turn"
instead of "moved to the uncontrolled region".
And in the influence phase there could be "minion" instead of "vampire".
Or, as you said, move allies into the ready region at the end of the
Influence Phase as well and get rid of the difference.