Rules Question

What is the timing on a Methuselah being ousted? This came up in a game. My prey had one pool. I put Aching Beauty on Anson and bled him. He blocked with Thomas Thorne, and lost his last pool. Now, do Anson and Thorne fight a round, or does Thorne instantly go *poof*?

tony.r...@swcbbs.com (TONY RICARDI) writes: [ quoted text not captured ] Poof. Officially, combat is a result of blocking, not a part of the block. It would occur after your Prey is ousted, so therefore does not occur. Reference: From: aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie) Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad Subject: Revised Jyhad FAQ: 4/18/95 version Date: 18 Apr 1995 23:01:44 GMT Message-ID: <3n1gco$7...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Q: If I have one blood left in my pool and I successfully block a vampire with Aching Beauty, do I go into combat? A: No you are ousted before combat. -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | These opinions are mine and http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson | are subject to card text. Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. |

<rit...@cruzio.com> wrote: >OK, speaking of Bum's Rush, do minions tap because they are entering combat, >or because they blocked? In short, Bum's Rush *does* tap the unfortunate >victim, right? Simply entering combat doesn't tap a minion, so no, the rushed minion does not become tapped, unless it happens to block the Rush. > Also, what is the latest, greatest erata for Rotshreck? Is it supposed >to spoof defense, or punish Gangrel? Rotschreck hoses the vampire attempting to deal the aggravated damage. This ruling has been in effect for almost a year. Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu) wrote: : Poof. Officially, combat is a result of blocking, not a part of the : block. It would occur after your Prey is ousted, so therefore does : not occur. Related question: if I've been stealing your equipment with Fast Hands, your vampires with Grave Robbing, and your locations with [I forget the vote card which does this], your retainers and allies with Far Mastery, do any or all of these things disappear from under my control and into the ash heap when you get ousted? I say they shouldn't, because they are actual artifacts which have just been wrested from your control, not manifestations of your personal being which are dependent on your well-being to exist, but let's hear what the Rules Primogens say. Thanks. - Neil -- nwbe...@unix.amherst.edu, lentus in umbra | nudus ara, sere nudus... in omnibus requiem quaesivi, et nusquam inveni nisi in angulo cum libro

In article <45csjv$s...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie) writes: > >> Also, what is the latest, greatest erata for Rotshreck? Is it supposed >>to spoof defense, or punish Gangrel? > >Rotschreck hoses the vampire attempting to deal the aggravated damage. >This ruling has been in effect for almost a year. It also seems to be the most widely disregarded ruling. Does *anyone* on this newsgroup outside of WotC employees play with the official interpretation? -- Tom Doehne doe...@cse.ogi.edu

nwbe...@news.amherst.edu (Neil Bernstein) writes: >L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu) wrote: >: Poof. Officially, combat is a result of blocking, not a part of the >: block. It would occur after your Prey is ousted, so therefore does >: not occur. >Related question: if I've been stealing your equipment with Fast Hands, your >vampires with Grave Robbing, and your locations with [I forget the vote card >which does this], your retainers and allies with Far Mastery, do any or all >of these things disappear from under my control and into the ash heap when >you get ousted? >I say they shouldn't, because they are actual artifacts which have just been >wrested from your control, not manifestations of your personal being which >are dependent on your well-being to exist, but let's hear what the Rules >Primogens say. Thanks. The rules are pretty explicit on that point. All cards that a Methuselah started the game with are removed from play the moment she is ousted. Any remaining cards under her control (stolen from other Methuselahs) are burned. Sensible house rule among friends is to leave the stolen permanents in play until the controller (whoever it may be) is ousted, then returned to the original owner. Our group plays that way. But it wouldn't work very well in a tourney format anyhow - where losers are apt to leave the area in search of other things to do. [ quoted text not captured ]

> Date: Sun, 08 OCT 95 15:40:00 -500 > From: TONY RICARDI <tony.r...@swcbbs.com> > Newgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad > Subject: Rules Question > > What is the timing on a Methuselah being ousted? > > This came up in a game. My prey had one pool. I put Aching Beauty on > Anson and bled him. He blocked with Thomas Thorne, and lost his last > pool. Now, do Anson and Thorne fight a round, or does Thorne instantly > go *poof*? > > From what I understand your prey is ousted, the game is over. Once you have zero blood that's it, you no longer have any influence. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* * Kathleen Ellis af...@ccn.cs.dal.ca | As others might with tenderness * * Alias - Poenaplaceunque | rule your life and your youth, * * | I shall rule you with a fear. * * "Where pleasure and pain becomes one" | -Baudelaire, The Ghost * *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Thomas Doehne (doe...@church.cse.ogi.edu) wrote: : aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie) writes: : > : >Rotschreck hoses the vampire attempting to deal the aggravated damage. : >This ruling has been in effect for almost a year. : It also seems to be the most widely disregarded ruling. Does *anyone* : on this newsgroup outside of WotC employees play with the official : interpretation? Our group plays it that way, when we play it at all. Our consensus is this (and I have no proof, so please don't ask for any); - The card _was_ originally intended to hose the dealer - The choice of Rotschreck as a name was a bad one, probably made by someone who didn't know V:TM as well as they should have - The 'hose dealer' rule is the only one that makes sense; why put the vampire in torpor when they were going to torpor anyway? (Note: this is under the Jyhad rules - the card can be played to good use upon one's own vampire under the new agg.dam rules for VTES) - It was probably never meant to work vs. Basilia, but rather against any _card_ that granted agg.dam (just a feeling). Shane H.W. Travis | I try to take one day at a time, tra...@duke.usask.ca | but sometimes several days attack at once. Saskatoon, Saskatchewan | -- Ashleigh Brilliant

In article <45etqt$j...@reuter.cse.ogi.edu> doe...@church.cse.ogi.edu (Thomas Doehne) writes: >From: doe...@church.cse.ogi.edu (Thomas Doehne) >Subject: Re: Rules Question >Date: 10 Oct 1995 22:58:37 GMT >In article <45csjv$s...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie) writes: >> >>> Also, what is the latest, greatest erata for Rotshreck? Is it supposed >>>to spoof defense, or punish Gangrel? >> >>Rotschreck hoses the vampire attempting to deal the aggravated damage. >>This ruling has been in effect for almost a year. >It also seems to be the most widely disregarded ruling. Does *anyone* >on this newsgroup outside of WotC employees play with the official >interpretation? Yeah, we always have. The card is valuable as a defense against aggro. damage, and is really pointless if you look at it the other way. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Andrews S2...@nmu.edu

Stuart J. Pieloch (dsa...@prism.gatech.edu) wrote: : JYHAD employs the "I'm going home now rule." : in order to accomodate the fact that I might be the : only one who has a certain card in my group. : and that I am free to leave the party when ousted. : Every card that I physically own and brought to the table in my decks : leaves with me. : Not terribly realistic, but this is a rule that you can count on and plan : for. Hmm, but I'm eager to make my Robbery deck work, so I think I'll try to talk people into accepting proxies if early-ousteds want to go home. [ quoted text not captured ]