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Rules question: Dagger

8 messages from 7 participants · 04 February 2010 – 16 March 2010
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LSJ

On Feb 4, 12:53 pm, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > brandonsantacruz wrote: > > When you use the ability to equip a second Dagger from your hand, do > > you have to pay for it? The wording "put a second Dagger" on this > > minion without the clarifying "(pay cost as normal)" makes me wonder. > > I hope the answer is "no" because that would work best to make the > > card playable. > > > Brandon > > > Dagger > > Cost 1 Pool > > Equipment > > Melee Weapon. Cold Iron. > > You may put a second Dagger from your hand or ash heap on this minion > > when you equip this Dagger from your hand. Strike: Strength+1 damage. > > Alternately, strike: strength ranged damage and, after strike > > resolution, put this weapon out of play until the end of the action. > > Burn this weapon if any damage from it is prevented. > > Since it doesn't say Equip nor Play, and as you point out > doesn't have the "(pay cost as normal)" text, I think that > no, you don't have to pay the 1 pool. Correct.

brandonsantacruz

> > Since it doesn't say Equip nor Play, and as you point out > > doesn't have the "(pay cost as normal)" text, I think that > > no, you don't have to pay the 1 pool. > > Correct. I'm just used to the "move" wording, thanks for the clarification. Brandon

Legendre

Is it my imagination, or is this card simply better than Bastard Sword/ Meat Cleaver? JUST LIKE BASTARD SWORD/MEAT CLEAVER... It costs 1 pool. It does Str+1 melee damage. You can make additional strikes with it (cf. Brass Knuckles, Nightstick) It's not unique. It has no requirements for playing. BUT: You can get two for the price of one. It's cold iron. You can throw it. Was this a misprint? Was it supposed to just do strength damage at close range?

Janne Hägglund

Legendre <glavier@gmail.com> writes: > Is it my imagination, or is this card simply better than Bastard Sword/ > Meat Cleaver? > > JUST LIKE BASTARD SWORD/MEAT CLEAVER... > > It costs 1 pool. > It does Str+1 melee damage. > You can make additional strikes with it (cf. Brass Knuckles, > Nightstick) > It's not unique. > It has no requirements for playing. > > BUT: > You can get two for the price of one. > It's cold iron. > You can throw it. > > > Was this a misprint? Was it supposed to just do strength damage at > close range? You forgot the last sentence in the text: "Burn this weapon if any damage from it is prevented." Meat Cleavers and Bastard Swords are not destroyed by a single Fortitude card, a Flak Jacket or a Glancing Blow, so Dagger is not simply better than them. HG

Legendre

On Feb 4, 6:36 pm, h...@iki.fi (Janne Hägglund) wrote: > Legendre <glav...@gmail.com> writes: > > Is it my imagination, or is this card simply better than Bastard Sword/ > > Meat Cleaver? > > > JUST LIKE BASTARD SWORD/MEAT CLEAVER... > > > It costs 1 pool. > > It does Str+1 melee damage. > > You can make additional strikes with it (cf. Brass Knuckles, > > Nightstick) > > It's not unique. > > It has no requirements for playing. > > > BUT: > > You can get two for the price of one. > > It's cold iron. > > You can throw it. > > > Was this a misprint?  Was it supposed to just do strength damage at > > close range? > > You forgot the last sentence in the text: "Burn this weapon if any damage > from it is prevented." > > Meat Cleavers and Bastard Swords are not destroyed by a single Fortitude card, > a Flak Jacket or a Glancing Blow, so Dagger is not simply better than them. > >                 HG Yes... it might help if I read the last sentence.

Peter D Bakija

On Feb 4, 11:05 pm, Legendre <glav...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes... it might help if I read the last sentence. In practice, Dagger is just better than Bastard Sword and/or Meat Cleaver, yes (just like Baseball Bat). Which is only good, as Bastard Sword and Meat Cleaver really aren't any good. In a design sense, as noted, it is a reasonable balance, as the daggers burn right quick 'cause someone has a Flak Jacket. But in reality, I can't imagine that anyone would ever use a Bastard Sword or Meat Cleaver ever again given: -WWS -Baseball Bat -Dagger Which is ok. -Peter

Jelsky

I have an additional question about Dagger: Suppose I play the second Dagger from my hand, can I then, per cardtext of this second Dagger, play a third Dagger from my ash heap or hand? I guess not, but just to be sure.. Melee weapon. Cold iron. You may put a second Dagger from your hand or ash heap on this minion when you equip this Dagger from your hand. Strike: strength+1 damage. Alternatively, strike: strength ranged damage and, after strike resolution, put this weapon out of play until the end of the action. Burn this weapon if any damage from it is prevented. Thx in advance.

Jozxyqk

Jelsky <jelskyc@gmail.com> wrote: > I have an additional question about Dagger: > Suppose I play the second Dagger from my hand, can I then, per > cardtext of this second Dagger, play a third Dagger from my ash heap > or hand? I guess not, but just to be sure.. No, because that is "putting", and not "equipping". > Melee weapon. Cold iron. > You may put a second Dagger from your hand or ash heap on this minion > when you equip this Dagger from your hand. Strike: strength+1 damage. > Alternatively, strike: strength ranged damage and, after strike > resolution, put this weapon out of play until the end of the action. > Burn this weapon if any damage from it is prevented. > Thx in advance.