[LSJ] Condemnation: Languid vs Trap

Hi, Condemnation: Languid says "Requires and infernal vampire. (D) Put this card on a ready minion. The minion with this card has -1 strength. Burn all other condemnations on this minion <sup>As above, and the minion cannot use presses in combat" If a minion has C:L at superior, can they play Trap? Does that count as "using a press"? //Petri

[ quoted text not captured ] I would say yes, as Trap isn't a press card, and the Press becomes mandatory in the combat due to the playing of other cards. The minion itself doesn't play the Trap press, the card does. -- Andy "Slytherin" Brown VEKN Setite Ruler of Cambridge SET awakens, watch out all non-believers

I whipped out my copy of the CE Trap: "Only usable before range is determined on the first round of combat. During the press step, if any Methuselah has played a card earlier in the current round or during the two previous rounds, the Trap automatically provides a press to continue (either combatant can press to end)." So, the _Trap_ does the pressing, not the minion, so a minion with C:L should be able to use it. -- Ever so amused, John "Dorrinal" McGlynn

>I would say yes, as Trap isn't a press card, and the Press becomes >mandatory in the combat due to the playing of other cards. The minion >itself doesn't play the Trap press, the card does. Correct. Trap provides an environmental press. This particular issue (where does the Trap press come from) has existed ever since people wondered whether the minion who played the Trap can press to end (since you can't cancel your own presses). And he can since the Trap (not the minion) is pressing. Halcyan 2

> provides a press to continue (either combatant can press to end)." > > So, the _Trap_ does the pressing, not the minion, so a minion with C:L > should be able to use it. Well....the Trap 'provides' the press for use. But can the minion use it give that he cannot currently use presses? I'm sure he can play the Trap but can he make use of the press?

>> So, the _Trap_ does the pressing, not the minion, so a minion with C:L >> should be able to use it. > >Well....the Trap 'provides' the press for use. But can the minion use >it give that he cannot currently use presses? I'm sure he can play >the Trap but can he make use of the press? He's not using it. In fact, he has no choice in the matter at all. Once the Trap is played, the Trap will automatically provide a press. There have indeed been cases when a minion who played a Trap later regretted it and couldn't get out of the combat! Halcyan 2

Andy Brown wrote: > > Petri Wessman wrote: > > > > Hi, Condemnation: Languid says > > > > "Requires and infernal vampire. (D) Put this card on a ready > > minion. The minion with this card has -1 strength. Burn all other > > condemnations on this minion > > <sup>As above, and the minion cannot use presses in combat" > > > > If a minion has C:L at superior, can they play Trap? Does that count > > as "using a press"? > > > > //Petri > > I would say yes, as Trap isn't a press card, and the Press becomes > mandatory in the combat due to the playing of other cards. The minion > itself doesn't play the Trap press, the card does. Correct. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/