Okay, say I put DiD on a vamp and it fills up to capacity and is
forced to move to the ready region,...
then:
1. It was not made ready through DiD text, so it comes out untapped?
2. Descent into Darkness stays on it?
(and has no effect while ready because of "face-down vampire" part of
text.)
3. When I play another DiD on it, it will gain 4 blood during my
influence phase while face down?
That all seems straightforward, I just want confirmation.
Descent into Darkness
Type(s): Action
Discipline(s): Obtenebration
Blood Cost: 1
Rarity: Common
Card Text:
+1 stealth action
Turn the acting vampire and any cards on him or her face down, out of
play (breaking any temporary control affects). Put this card on him or
her (in play). During your influence phase, move 2 blood to this face-
down vampire from the blood bank, and you can choose to burn this card
to return the vampire to play, tapped.
As above, but the vampire is untapped when he or she returns to play
"d" <david.cor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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hi D,
It sounds to me like you're misinterpreting how Descent into Darkness works.
As far as I know, there is nothing in the text or rulings that forces a
vampire who's been filled to capacity by DiD to come into play. The
out-of-play Descended vampire can continue to accumulate blood above
capacity as long as he or she is out of play - capacity only applies while
vampires are in play, and DiD's text doesn't say anything about the vampire
automatically coming back into play when full.
Maybe you're thinking of the rule that uncontrolled vampires who have blood
equal to or greater than capacity automatically enter play at the end of
your influence phase? That rule doesn't apply to vampires sent out-of-play
by card effects like Descent into Darkness, though - vampires under DiD are
not uncontrolled, they're in a separate "out of play" status.
So, as far as I know, the answers to your questions are:
1. It doesn't come into play until you bring it back into play by burning
DiD. When you do burn DiD, the vampire comes into play tapped or untapped
based on whether it played DiD at inferior or superior.
2. No, DiD is always burned when the DiD vampire is returned to play.
3. If it's possible to get two DiDs onto the same vampire at all, it would
require some convoluted trickery. :-) If it were possible, though, yes,
the vampire with two DiDs would get 4 blood per influence phase.
Hope that helps...
Josh
under a dark rock
On Mar 8, 6:49 pm, "d" <david.corsonknow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Okay, say I put DiD on a vamp and it fills up to capacity and is
> forced to move to the ready region,...
What forces it to return to the ready region? DiD in no way forces the
vamp back to controlled simply due to being full to capacity
> then:
> 1. It was not made ready through DiD text, so it comes out untapped?
If DiD was played at OBT, the vamp would come out untapped, if at obt,
the vamp would be tapped. either way the DiD burns
> 2. Descent into Darkness stays on it?
> (and has no effect while ready because of "face-down vampire" part of
> text.)
DiD cannot stay on vamp as it burns to allow va,p to return to ready
region, not because vamp at capacity.
> 3. When I play another DiD on it, it will gain 4 blood during my
> influence phase while face down?
Cannot play another DiD as vamp is out of play while under the effect
of DiD, so illegal target, as well as being unable to act.
>
> That all seems straightforward, I just want confirmation.
You were trying to come up with a devious scheme of DOOOOM with DiD
weren't yah? just admit it ;)
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"are not controlled", you mean.
And, yes, like contested cards, they are not "in the uncontrolled region".
> So, as far as I know, the answers to your questions are:
>
> 1. It doesn't come into play until you bring it back into play by burning
> DiD. When you do burn DiD, the vampire comes into play tapped or untapped
> based on whether it played DiD at inferior or superior.
>
> 2. No, DiD is always burned when the DiD vampire is returned to play.
>
> 3. If it's possible to get two DiDs onto the same vampire at all, it would
> require some convoluted trickery. :-) If it were possible, though, yes,
> the vampire with two DiDs would get 4 blood per influence phase.
Correct.
Blooded Sand wrote:
> On Mar 8, 6:49 pm, "d" <david.corsonknow...@gmail.com> wrote:>> Okay, say I put DiD on a vamp and it fills up to capacity and is
>> forced to move to the ready region,...> What forces it to return to the ready region? DiD in no way forces the
> vamp back to controlled simply due to being full to capacity
From the way he's written it, it sounds to me like when he plays
Descent Into Darkness, he's putting the vamp in his uncontrolled region,
and then using Transfers to fill it to capacity from his pool.
Which you can't do, as mentioned, as the DiD vampire isn't actually in
your uncontrolled region.
(But if you could, then that would explain how he thought you could get
the vampire controlled to play another DiD on it)
--
salem
Thanks for the responses, I just moved from one incorrect
understanding of DiD before today, to another wrong one from my post,
to finally grokking this strange card.
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On Mar 9, 3:09 am, "d" <david.corsonknow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the responses, I just moved from one incorrect
> understanding of DiD before today, to another wrong one from my post,
> to finally grokking this strange card.
share more water d, share more water